Calzaghes Resume looks even worse now!!!!

I'm not sure thats entirely fair. Kessler was never going to be a great fighter for me but he was a very good technical sharp boxer who was the second best SMW in the world when Joe fought him. If Kessler had dominated this tournament, Calzaghe looks better but if he did dominate it would be more to do with the contenders not being that good than KEssler being that great.

Calzaghe was in a weak division and went from 2000-2006 fighting about two top10 guys who were both coming off defeats that should rightfully hurt him. When he stepped up to fight Lacy/Kessler these were the other top fighters in the world. Add those to Past it BHOPs (thought he lost)/Past it Eubank/Past it Jones/Mitchell/Brewer and it makes a good but not outstanding resume

There are parallels with Marciano, beating old greats, beating good but not outstanding contenders, going unbeaten (well 45-1 in my book)

 

calzaghe's ATG status is not yet secured

 

Muhammad Ali lost Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick, so Joe Frazier, George Foreman and Ken Norton must of sucked...

 

I think it has some affect, kessler was calzaghe signature win, he has now been outclassed probably easier by ward than calzaghe managed to do. Now kessler was still a good fighter when calzaghe beat him and he deserves credit for it. But if kessler had won this tournament easy it would have proved he was a top quality fighter, that in turn would have improved Calzaghe resume itself, a win over a prime fighter who then proved he was a top quality boxer.

Of course anyone can have an off day but i really can't see kessler coming back to prove himself to be as good a fighter as some thought he might be. So the fighter that could have pushed calzaghe resume higher by proving himself further after a defeat is now unlikely to do that. It now leaves Joe with 1 very good win, that being over a 43 year old Hopkins in a tight fight. That has to if not damage joe legacy leave a lot of question marks

I think Joe will be remembered in the years to come as a very talented fighter which he undoubtdly was, but one without the top levels wins to back it up

 

I know, that Bernard Hopkins was a bum, ditto Roy Jones...

And is that an oxymoron? You say he was undoubtdly very talented, but then in the next part of the sentence you place doubt?

 

In my judgment, Andre Ward's complete schooling of thought to be great Mikkel Kessler has in no way tainted Calzaghe's resume. Mikkel turned in a pretty good performance when he fought Calzaghe in '07, and displayed a lot of qualities that would lead many to believe he was capable of taking on the mantle as the next great Super Middleweight. He was an undefeated fighter at that time, and had toppled Mundine and Andrade with relative ease, good contenders at best.

I'm not suggesting Andre beat a past it Kessler, but Mikkel has fought nobody of significance since his first career loss. In addition, fighters generally seemed to go in one of two possible directions after a loss. They can reevaluate themselves and make improvements, or they can go on a downward spiral as a result of a lack of confidence, or because the blueprint to beat them has now been written. I don't think fighting three nobodies since losing to Joe benefited Mikkel, and neither do I think the elusive, counter-punching style of Ward did either.

Joe Calzaghe has a mediocre resume irrespective of whether or not you've now downgraded Kessler as a fighter. He milked his WBO strap for years, and waited far to long to go over to American to take on the big boys. Some feel Hopkins deserved the nod, and now Kessler has been exposed as beatable, and seemingly incapable of changing up mid-fight. It was only ever a good win in the first place, based on Kessler's competition, and nothing has changed. Ward is a super talented kid, and Joe needs to get his boxing gloves back on and make a legitimate argument for himself. He ain't no all-time great as things stand, and he wouldn't be if Kessler had beaten Ward.

Kessler simply ran into a super talented gold medalist last night, and many fighters will be beaten by the same man...trust me. The guys the goods.

 

kessler was the second best win of calzaghe's career and now we found out that kessler was just ordinary..

who knows, he might even lost to dirrell and abraham

 

Jones, come on he was shot to ****. I view the hopkins win as a good one actually, better than a lot on here, i think calzaghe beat a good version of hopkins and i was quite impressed by the way he was able to turn the fight, making hopkins fight at his pace which is very difficult to do against hopkins.

Still, Joe does not have a great record, that is partly down to a very poor super middleweight era to be fair, but it doesn't chance the fact there are loads of fighters who have a better resume, some of whom i would suggest that joe was quite a bit more talented than.

 

There's the other side to the coin however. Let's assume Ward establishes himself as the winner of the Super six, going 5-0. He moves up and wins more world titles, and is well on his way to establishing himself as a great fighter. Let's be honest, he's looked outstanding against Edison Miranda and Mikkel Kessler. It's not out of the realms of possibility that Ward is just special, rather than Kessler being any less than what we expected. It was a bad stylistic match-up to begin with, and that coupled with regular inactivity...spells bad news for the Big Dane, we should have saw it coming.

 

He had every opportunity to **** off to Vegas earlier in his career and take on a Bernard Hopkins, or move up to the Light Heavyweight division. He milked his title, once you establish that level of dominance you either go on to fight great fighters, like a Hopkins or a Jones, or you move to a different weight division. He decided to milk his title, and he's paying the price...he thought he achieved greatness by retiring undefeated. Don't think so, Joe.

 

He should have moved up to face roy, mind you that wouldn't have done him much good as roy would have beat him comfortably. As far as i'm aware he did try and make the hopkins fight,but he wasn't really a draw at the time though and hopkins was a difficult negotiator in those days, he should be held as accountable as calzaghe for the fight not happening earlier.

 

Fair enough, but there are other options instead of rematching Veit and fighting Peter ****in' Manfredo. It's the same as when the Floyd apoligists give us all of these reasons as to why Mayweather never fought Cotto, Williams, Margarito, etc. They didn't happen because Floyd didn't want them too, and Calzaghe could have fought better competition than he ending up fighting, no doubt in my mind. He didn't really dare to be great in my view, he thought Hopkins was done...and he knew Jones was done.

 

that for the future. The thread is about right NOW...
his ATG ranking goes down after ward exposed kessler big time