Calzaghes Resume looks even worse now!!!!

I agree.
The notion that "future events" should dictate the significance of a result is not something I subscribe to.

 

Oh c'mon..experienced ex-titlists

They were shot to pieces.Brown shouldn't have been allowed in the same ring as Hopkins.

 

Close 1s Umm the Reid fight was a complete robbery, I'm sure there were more, at least he had the decency to retire after the Reid fight

 

I´m biased because I´m German? What did you smoke. I hate this guy. As good Maske was for German boxing as bad was Ottke for it. He brought the bad reputation on Germany all by himself. Yeah, I am biased but if anything than against this f*cker.

But unlike you I try to be objective. And unlike you I have seen the fight. But you calling a fight you haven´t seen a robbery from hearsaying is neither credible not intelligent but just dumb.

 

Read what I wrote. Damned, hating without knowing anything makes look you pretty bad, my dear friend.

 

LEarn how to read, I never called the fight a robbery, I said many said it was a robbery - learn to read

 

I agree with this too.
I dont think that contradicts McGrain's point at all.

Jones Jr. didn't beat the best version of Hopkins, the great Hopkins of the mid-late 90s, or the Trinidad fight. That means the weight of the win as a "great" one just isn't there.

But your point I agree with too. Head-to-head, Jones improves too, and I say he's the superior fighter at any stage up until 2003 or 2004.

 

Luckily you delted the part about the Reid fight just in time. I was about to make you look very bad

I´m sorry, you are right, you said many saw it this way. But you should mention that these "many" never saw the fight but just repeated what Johnson said - who, of course had no interest there

 

It depends really. When speaking about Calzahge, you're talking about a fighter who had a lot of questions concerning his level of competition especially considering the amount of fights that could have been made in the late 90's and early part of 2000.
He goes out and beats a guy who has a good record against decent opposition and hes lifted to a whole new level. He then beats two former ATG's at the end of their illustreous careers, and hes lifted to an ATG status after that.
There is certainly reason for questioning his status, after one of his biggest wins was completely dominated by a somewhat green fighter. I think Jones win over Lacy at the age at which he fought him is also somewhat telling.
As far as the time perspective two years is nothing compared to saying that closely beating a 43 year old fighter is anywhere in the same stratosphere of beating a fighter at his respective best like some to seem to be claiming from the Hopkins fight.

 

Well, up to that point in Calzaghe's career, yes, it is. And certainly in the manner Calzaghe beat him.

Calzaghe beat Lacy so bad I'm surprised Lacy ever even fought again, no way was I expecting him to actually go on to "justify" himself with future fights.

Kessler was actually number 2 super-middle in the world when Calzaghe fought Lacy, and is now the "best win" on Calzaghe's resume, disregarding the one-sidedness of the Lacy performance.

 

Brown was never a middleweight, your right about that. Jackson was and did belong.

 

This is why I feel sorry for Joe - leading up to the Eubank fight he fought several fighters who had gone the distance with guys like Benn and he stopped them within 3 rounds. But no one cared because they weren't "names". During his reight as WBO "Champ" he KO'd several guys in 2-4 rounds who had gone 12 rounds with Sven Ottke.

 

So factoring in Jones JR's win over Lacy, in somewhat similiar dominating fashion is also meaningless to Joes resume?

 

Svenn Ottke couldnt knockout your grandmother.