Calzaghes Resume looks even worse now!!!!

**** off you annoying twat.

 

Ive always felt Joe was overated. In fact I made mention of the fact that if Kessler got schooled it probably wouldnt do near for Ward what it did for Joe's resume. In my opinion Calzahges resume is pretty **** poor. Not entirely his fault, mostly his promoter, but looking at his overall competition and when he fought them, leaves a lot to be desired especially considering there were tons of super fights that could have been made during his prime, and he just stayed in the Uk fighting a bunch of bums who were constantly questionably approved by the WBO. Never really understood why Warren did that because I think Joe was a good fighter. When I saw how he could sell out an arena against a shot Charles Brewer or Antwun Echols is when I understood why Warren kept him in so soft.

 

I doubt it.
He'd already beat LaMotta so it made him 1-1 against a good fighter who outweighed him about 15 pounds. So good he was regualrly fighter these men above his weight class.
And he'd beaten loads of other good fighters. He was the hottest thing in boxing regardless of that loss. 1942 Fighter of the Year award still fresh in his hand.
And three weeks later his slate with LaMotta was 2-1.

 

Perhaps not the best example.

There were certainly people who wrote off Joe Louis after Max Schmeling beat him.

 

As Ive said Ward and Dirrell are the most physically talented fighters. Dirrell is still a little green, and probably should not be in this tournament, but Ward is ready. Abrahman is just a monster though, and is going to be difficult for anyone to stay away from for 12 rounds. He reminds me of Kostya Tszyu just presssure, pressure, stalking and not a lot of dimension to his game.
Froch is the charity case, he should lose to everyone except Taylor who needs to be pulled out of the tournament before he gets crippled.

 

It never looked that great in the first place.

Kessler is a good fighter but he couldn't adapt to Calzaghe's style and he couldn't adapt to Ward's style. He looks good as long as you fight his fight, Ward didn't.

Not a big fan of Andre Ward's spoiling style but he fought smart and landed almost at will on Kessler. Credit to Kessler for taking the punishment and answering the bell each time even though he was advised to quit.

 

Very well put, he was assumed to be the best SMW in the world after Joe retired, and with him being inactive except for weak opponents there was no way to tell.

I think this only affects people who were trying to inflate Calzaghe's ATG standing, and using Kessler to do this. Kessler wasn't exposed and Calzaghe's win over his is still a great win.

 

Based on what I've read, people at the time didn't write him off, partly because he was on a great run and losses at the time were less frowned upon, but mainly because it was felt that the 15+ pound advantage was too much and that Robinson should have stuck to his own weight class. He obviously went onto prove this notion wrong.

Another interesting article I read about the Robinson-Armstrong fight did say that the "old timers" felt Robinson would not have stood a chance against the likes of a prime Henry Armstrong, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin and Mickey Walker. :good

 

I will admit that I assumed him to be the best of the bunch when Calzaghe moved up and I picked him to win the tournament.

Of course things have changed since he fought Calzaghe. For my money Kessler was never quite the same after he lost his 0 and a lot of new talent has come into the super middleweight division.

Kessler probably was the best available challenger when Calzaghe fought him and it was certainly the fight we all wanted.

 

I think that win along with the Lacy win, (another overated one), lifted Calzahge to a new plateau of "supposed" greatness in the minds of many. One would only have to go back to the forum and media pages of the time to see for themselves.
It only confirmed to me that Joe was indeed a fighter, and not just some hometown bottle fed fighter like others including myself thought because of his past resume. He earned his fighting cred off those fights, but I think his status got out of hand.

 

I never thought much of Kessler, so for me it doesn't affect Calzaghe's status at all. Plus, Kessler really hasn't done **** since he fought Calzaghe so there's bound to be some deterioration.

 

Well, if it isn't then Joe is fcuked because there is hardly any chance at all of him returning. By now, Joe is probably weighing around 14st, enjoying life, getting up when he wants, eating what he wants. Joe openly stated that he will miss fighting, but won't miss the training that much at all. He has got too comfortable by now!

 

100% right. The fact that we're even discussjng it tells you hes not an ATG.

 

Well, Kessler was the best smw after Calzaghe left the division. He isn't it anymore now.

I don't think the "value of the win has to be re-appraised". Kessler was the number one contender when Calzaghe beat him, he was an undefeated fighter who was on a good run, unified 2 titles and so on. That was and still is a good win. The loss to Ward does not change this.
What would you say if Kessler beats Froch and Taylor, AA in the half final and in the final he beats Ward in a rematch? Do you think everything should be re-appraised again? I don't think so.
The most importan rule in historic sciences is NO HINDSIGHT. You must look at everything like the people saw it when it happened. I hink this should be done also when we judge fights.