Calzaghe's WBO "title reign" vs the fighters in "The Ring" top 10

no he didn't.

ottke arguably lost to a couple of guys joe beat...& did actually beat. that DOES make a difference.

as opposed to ottke...who won his 2nd belt in his 5th from last fight. :huh

ottke's level of oppostion measured over their entire careers is lower than calzaghe's. or are you forgetting that ottke faced tocker pudwill too? :hey

 

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. Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit2, Brewer, Mitchell, Ashira, Manfredo, Lacy, Kessler, Jones, Hopkins, Bika
and Eubank got rated for his loss so could be included to make

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After

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s fight with Calzaghe

1. Frankie Liles*, 31-1, WBA champ
2. Joe Calzaghe* (Britain), 23-0, WBO champ
3. Robin Reid (Britain), 25-0-1, WBC champ
4. Joseph Kiwanuka (Uganda), 25-1-2
5.

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(Britain), 45-3-2


After

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came back with a win and Malinga lost Reid was rated higher than you note when Calzaghe beat him

1: Joe Calzaghe* (Britain), 26-0, WBO champ

2: Frankie Liles*, 32-1, WBA champ

3: Richie Woodhall (Britain), 25-1, WBC champ

4:

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(Britain), 27-1-1

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became
1: Joe Calzaghe* (GB), 34-0, WBO
2: Sven Ottke (Germany), 27-0, IBF
3: Eric Lucas (Canada), 35-4-3, WBC
4: Antwun Echols, 29-4-1
5: Robin Reid (GB), 32-3-1
6: Byron Mitchell, 25-1-1, WBA
7:

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(GB), 30-2

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who you didnt note when Calzaghe beat him
1: Joe Calzaghe* (Britain), 28-0, WBO
2: Sven Ottke (Germany), 19-0, IBF
3: Glenn Catley (Britain), 26-3, WBC
4: Bruno Girard (France), 37-2-1, WBA
5: Byron Mitchell, 20-1-1
6: Markus Beyer (Germany), 18-1
7: Richie Woodhall (Britain), 26-2
8: James Butler, 16-1
9: Charles Brewer, 35-6
10:

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, 20-1


Beyer who beat

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was KOd by Woodhall victim Catley, and rated higher than you note

1: Joe Calzaghe* (Britain), 29-0, WBO

2: Sven Ottke (Germany), 20-0, IBF

3: Bruno Girard (France), 38-2-1, WBA

4: Byron Mitchell, 21-1-1

5:

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(Britain), 26-2

6: Dingaan Thobela (South Africa), 40-7-2, WBC

7: Glenn Catley (Britain), 26-4

8: Markus Beyer (Germany), 18-1

 

absoloute classic thread, fully exposing popkins and all his alter-ego's - pacfan, dinamita, roskolnikov, kittikasem

theres probably a couple more in there as well like president :rofl

 

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world title fights had fighters who/were or became rated at some point

13 fighters who were rated when he fought them. Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit2, Brewer, Mitchell, Ashira, Manfredo, Lacy, Kessler, Jones, Hopkins, Bika
and Eubank got rated for his loss so could be included to make 14.

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when Calzaghe fought him a 2nd time

1: Joe Calzaghe* (GB), 38-0, WBO

2: Jeff Lacy, 19-0-0-1, IBF

3: Mikkel Kessler (Denmark), 35-0, WBA

4: Markus Beyer* (Germany), 32-2, WBC

5: Danny Green (Australia), 19-2

6: Mads Larsen* (Denmark), 45-2

7: Robin Reid (GB), 38-4-1, IBO

8: Anthony Mundine (Australia), 23-2

9:

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(Germany), 45-1

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you note

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you note

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did enter into the ratings after his KO win of the undefeated European SMW champ

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was rated at MW

Bernard Hopkins, Champion

Howard Eastman
Robert Allen
Rodney Jones
William Joppy
Sergey Tatevosyan
Jermain Taylor

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you note

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also became rated

Joe Calzaghe, Champion

Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Jeff Lacy
Librado Andrade
Carl Froch
Allan Green

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wasnt coming off a loss and was world rated

Joe Calzaghe, Champion

Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Markus Beyer
Librado Andrade
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Allan Green
Denis Inkin

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you note



I havent included

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who had been top 10 rated before fighting Calzaghe

 

Nice retort. If you feel like looking at the ring rankings to prove it, have at it. It's not like isn't common knowledge.

"Arguably lost" in a sport with subjective judging doesn't leave much to be desired. And I agree that Ottke should have lost. But many seem to think Robin reid beat Joe C. So....

True. WHich is why i put the strength on ring ranked fighters. And Ring has the most consistently and best rankings so far.

Just sayin it again doesn't do anything to help. Look, I'm nmot trying to suggest it's light years ahead of Joe's, just a tad better at 168.

But all that went against whomever said Joe C was the standard bearer for 168. He simpy wasn't because he hadn't really done anything to seperate himself, other then a bunch of defenses against opponents who went on to do nothing in their careers.

Fact of the matter is, both Ottke and Joe C were doing the same thing at the same time, in the same division. Looks bad for BOTH guys in the long run.

 

so brewer, mitchell, reid, mundine & johnson is better than brewer, mitchell, reid, kessler, lacy & eubank (not including b-hop & rjj)?

**** off it is.

tbh watch the reid/jc fight. you'd have to be mental to score that to reid. reid on the other hand was "unlucky" in many many ways against ottke.

ring rankings are bollocks. & i refuse to believe that ottke faced more ring top 10 ranked boxers anyway.

mundine, mitchell, brewer, reid, larson, tate. 5. any more?

brewer, mitchell, reid, woodhall, kessler, lacy, manfredo...

sorry but you're talking bollocks.

it's not.

calzaghe seperated himself by winning every belt at the weight & proving he was the dominant champion in the division...before moving up in weight & facing the ring 175 champion & the ring ranked no.6 at 175.

they did the same thing...then calzaghe went on & did much much more. :deal

 

Only an irrational fanboy could say anything other than that this is a terrible resume for a guy who held a world title for what, 11 years? His opposition from 1997-2006, most specifically from 1999-2005, was absolutely shocking.