Camacho and Leonard: Shades of Jealousy

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  1. Briscoe

    Briscoe Active Member Full Member

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    I mentioned this in a previous post that Addie brought up (concerning hand speed) and it got me thinking. Did any of you guys ever hear Sugar Ray Leonard's commentary on Hector Camacho during Leonard's retirement and Macho's rise to the boxing limelight? He was in awe and silently jealous. You could almost hear the wheels working in his speech. He wanted to praise Camacho, then take him on. Then later I was reading the Sports' Illustrated article vault online (I recommend it) for Camacho and I found Leonard giving even more praise for Camacho and admitting his speed and combinations is so much more intact then Leonard could ever be ready for. Anybody else notice this between Leonard and Camacho?

    Extra note: this time period would have been around 1983 to 1986. From Camacho's first title up to his split decision win against Rosario. Obviously there must have been more talk in other years since they fought in 1997(!!!). However, that time period (83-86) seems to be where those seeds had planted for that belated matchup.
     
  2. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Some here in the Classic section will accuse you of being another poster after reading this.:rofl
     
  3. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    I don't think it's jealousy but instead constant need to be in the spotlight. Leonard loved attention.
     
  4. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i agree, and no doubt duranimal will be here shortly to do the same
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nonsense, I was a big fan back then, and I never heard even rumors that there could possibly be a Leonard-Camacho fight.
    The only reason why the fight came about when it did, is because Leonard saw Roberto Duran beating Camacho and he thought he could do the same thing.:lol::lol::lol:

    Little did Leonard know was that Camacho was ill prepared for Duran making him look like **** against him..........when Leonard got into the ring with Camacho, Camacho just steamrolled him.:D:yep
    ......having not cared for how Leonard manipulated conditions to others over the years, I have to admit I was pleased to see it happen!:happy

    My opinion however was that Camacho was just too good for an old Leonard.......that same Leonard imo beats the Duran that was robbed against Camacho.
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Leonard was indeed dazzled by the speed he wished he had but never did

    How Rl must have wanted to jump into the ring to save his fellow Olympian Howard Davis in 87. Even if he could it would have availed him nothing as the lightning quick Camacho was still without peer in the speed department even at his unusually high weight
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've seen seen a more blatantly roided up athlete then Camacho in there against Leonard, it was unbelievable. :lol:
     
  8. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Case closed.
     
  9. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hector Camacho has the honored distinction of destroying not one, but two 1976 olympic gold medalists-first Davis then Leonard :yep
     
  10. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My chief memory of Ray's comments about Camacho before they squared off has to do with how endlessly delighted he was with the slick way Hector dispatched John Montes in Anchorage. SRL was clearly a Camacho fan, and before broadcasting subsequent matches of his, Ray would sometimes step in the ring to demonstrate to the television audience what he did to Montes. (Nobody dreamed that 14 years and 25 pounds later Hector would retire him.)
     
  11. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    I think it was a case of game respecting game.Camacho MAY have been faster, if so, not by much, but Leonard recognized his ability from jump.
     
  12. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh thats it allright, He hated any one else eclipsing him in any form or manner, there's history between Hector & Ray over some of rays comments about Hectors fighting style in regard to his attitude during a fight

    I can't for the life of me remember which fight it was that Hector was in but it all came about with Leonard true to form paying patronising compliments during his color commentary laced with very subtle digs at Hector, anyway the next time they met Hector called Leonard out, screaming he's a bum he's a bum, get his ass in with me & i'll knock him the **** out, i'am the real macho man, it's macho time & all the rest of the usual camacho abuse.

    It's in one of the 90's mag's down in a sub paragraph to do with another 2 fighters, but it stuck in my mind & it was only reading about when he knocked Leonard out that he said he'd waited years to do that to Leonard for disrespecting him the way he did.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    If Hector was faster it was by a hair ... Leonard was a much better fighter and puncher ..
     
  14. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    I don't even se that he beat Leonard. So what. He fought two guys over the hill. Leonard was way over the hill. Leonard was stupid to fight again.
     
  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks Duranimal

    I had always wondered what fueled Hector's vicious attack on ray. As annoying as Hector was, I guess he couldnt stand him either