camacho vs rosario II

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  1. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Rosario's left hook changed Camacho into a runner. I see another decision by Camacho. Camacho was a great fighter and is HOF worthy.
     
  2. MRBILL

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    Rosie didn't change Camacho into a runner......... Camacho was a STICKER and a MOVER since turning pro in 1980........... Camacho would attack a slow and shot fighter like Bazooka Limon cuz Limon was slower than Molasses, so Camacho knew he wouldn't get hit in return.....

    BUT!!! If Camacho felt threatened by his opponent's power, he used his leg speed to keep at bay....... Camacho went on the attack early against Jose L. Ramirez on HBO in 1985 for the WBC title, and he decked Ramirez early too... But when Ramirez got up and went on the attack, Camacho simply used his speed and skill to successfully outbox the slower than **** but hard hitting Jose L. Ramirez for a shutout win........

    Camacho was also attacking and boxing Eddie Rosario early on and scoring points on the slower Rosario at will, until he ran into a hook shot from E.R. somewhere in the 5th or 6th stanza and Camacho jumped on his bike...... Later in round 9 or so, Rosario landed another hook that hurt Camacho, so Camacho kept on moving and sticking..... But, all in all, I felt Camacho scored enough points by jabbing, circling and crossing over with his left on Eddie Rosario for the decision win.......

    Camacho basically employed the same style against Corny Boza-Edwards in the fall of '86 on HBO as he did against Jose L. Ramirez in 1985...... Camacho decked Boza early on and looked like he was gonna smoke Boza.... But Boza got up and fought his way back in the fight, so Camacho went on his stick and move routine to successfully outbox Boza over 12 rds........

    Camacho basically just used his assets and skills to the fullest prior to 1987......... By 1988, Camacho was losing his eye of the Tiger and becoming lazy and content........ By 1989 / '90, Camacho was up at 140 pounds and having trouble making that weight........ In truth, by 1990, Camacho was really a welterweight, but good money was to be made at 140 pounds.....

    MR.BILL:deal:thumbsup:hat
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    You should have been a P.R. man for Camacho back in the day Bill. Camacho's style changed forever the day he fought Rosario. He was never as confident and fought more negatively than he ever had. Shame, he really looked like he was going to be something.
     
  4. Sister Sledge

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    Mr. Bill, you are spot on on most points here, but Camacho was a boxer-puncher prior to the Rosario fight. He was never a banger, but his ultra-quick hands enabled him to get knockouts that his opponents didn't see coming.
    After the Rosario fight, he was in eternal survival mode and never took any chances again. The sad part is that Hector had a great chin, he just didn't want to get hit hard again.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    I never said Camacho was a PURE banger........ He never was...... BUT! At 130, against Limon in '83, Camacho looked to be a killer......... Camacho used speed and finess to overwhelm his foes' prior to 1987........

    By 1989 / '90, Camacho was struggling with weight issues.............. 140 was where the $$$ was at the time, but Camacho was SUPPOSE to be 147 at the time.......... H.C. was weak at 140 in '90 and 1991 thru '92....

    Camacho WOULD'VE beaten Chavez in 1992 had that fight been contracted for 147 pounds................ Camacho was taking EX-LAX and Olive Oil to **** himself to death to make 140 for Chavez in Sept. 1992...... H.C. was weak, while Chavez was primed and solid at 140 in '92.......

    **** IT!!! Camacho is a "Haller" in my book............. He gets my vote......

    MR.BILL:deal:thumbsup:hat
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    He would've still got the **** beat out of him Bill.
     
  7. Sister Sledge

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    He certainly was a HOFer and could have been better if he hadn't adapted a more careful style after the Rosario fight.
     
  8. sweet_scientist

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    That Rosario merely had a couple of big rounds against Camacho and that Hector otherwise outboxed him easily is one of the biggest bull**** stories in ESB history.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    I've been waiting for you

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  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Edwin Rosario vs. Hector Camacho: 115-112 Rosario
    Camacho: 1,2,6,9 and 10.
    Rosario: 3,4,5 ( 10-8 ) ,7,8,11 and 12.


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  11. JohnThomas1

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    I'll be eager to see Bill's round by round breakdown vs yours

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  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Camacho had a fear of getting hit and most of his fights went the distance. Good points Mr.Bill:thumbsup.
     
  13. MRBILL

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    Bull****........... GODDAMMIT!!:twisted::patsch

    MR.BILL

    Note:

    Camacho fought some stiff just 5 weeks earlier in Aug. of '92 on Cable TV, and H.C. was 148 pounds and strong......... Come Sept, Camacho was down at 140 and drained.... H.C. was on laxitives and olive oil and shitting himself like a Russian race horse in order to make weight and get that "3" million dollar payday against Chavez.....
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  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh please. Even two years earlier he could hardly distinguish himself from Greg Haugen. Was he drained then too?
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    8 pounds in 7 weeks is chicken feed. He was strong because, as you said, he was fighting a "stiff". Chavez is no stiff Bill hence the difference.