Camp Pavlik

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  1. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Monday afternoon’s hour-long session at the Southside Boxing Club on Erie Street kicked off a succession of five-day-a-week workouts leading up to the Feb. 16 middleweight rematch against Jermain Taylor in Las Vegas.
    Under the watchful eye of trainer Jack Loew, the WBC/WBO champion went through a light but aggressive regimen that ended a period of celebration and deserved recognition following Pavlik’s Sept. 29 knockout of Taylor in Atlantic City.
    “We’re not changing too much, only starting earlier this time,” Pavlik said of the scheduled eight-week preparation period that will be a week- or a week-and-a-half longer than the training camp leading up to Pavlik-Taylor I.
    “I don’t see too much of a difference,” Pavlik said. “He’s going to come fight the same way and I’m going to fight the same way I did. I think we’re going to pick up on some of his mistakes — even more than we did last fight. Another thing is how he’s going to be neurologically, following a knockout like that. So I don’t know if he’s going to be able to take the same punch that he used to, but I know he’s going to come to fight.”
     
  2. Des

    Des Member Full Member

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    great aspect in this fight.
    I think pavlik will ko Taylor again!!
     
  3. vonBanditos

    vonBanditos Mσderator Full Member

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    Thanks for the update. I'm already working on getting my tickets for the rematch.
     
  4. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because Pavlik-Taylor II will be at 166 pounds, Pavlik (31-0) believes he's got the edge.

    "We can kind of lift a little more and do things like that so we don't have to kill ourselves to make 160," Pavlik said of the higher limit this time around that will enable Pavlik to maximize conditioning without sacrificing strength.

    "For me, it's good because it gives me confidence going in. I'm bigger than Taylor so it's harder for me to make 160. I'm going to be stronger than Taylor. I definitely think I'm going to benefit more than he is."

    Not having to make the lower weight will help the fighters' energy level, too.

    "When you sit there and go 30 some hours without eating and you're in a sauna and you run three miles a day to make the weight, it takes everything out of you. It drains you."

    If anything is different about training, it'll be the amount of film study on the once-beaten opponent.

    Pavlik questioned Taylor's decision for a rematch.

    "I think it was a dumb mistake," Pavlik said. "I think they're regretting taking the fight at 166. For whatever reason, he wanted it. His excuse [for losing] was he had a hard time making 160. Fighting me in a non-title bout, he gets the short end of the percentage. I don't know what it was, but I think he made a mistake by doing it."
     
  5. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I take Taylor in the rematch - but I took him in the first fight too.

    I believe the lost will make him focus harder and fight harder.

    I'll be shocked if this goes the full 12 rounds.
     
  6. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    Another Pavlik KO coming soon:good

    I'm anxious to see how Kelly looks in the ring at 66 which is closer to 68 and possibly foreshadows the bigger fights to come.
     
  7. gutto

    gutto Guest

    I am going for taylor this time around just a feeling
     
  8. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Taylor has a number of flaws in his style which in theory he could correct. It was the flaws that made it so easy for Pavlik. If Taylor corrects those flaws, like pulling straight back with his hands down, he is not going to be so easy to hit.
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Taylor has a bunch of long-time bad habits, and he is not going to correct them in a training camp headed up by Ozell Nelson.

    Pavlik has fought as high as LHW. He has fought above 160 a total of 12 times. Every one of those fights ended in a brutal knock-out; most in under 3 rounds. JT is going in against a bigger, stronger, proven version of the same guy who cleaned his clock in September.

    I see 3 possible scenarios:

    1) Taylor may not be able to psychologically overcome such a devastating loss. If this is the case, and he comes in tenative and fighting scared, Pavlik blows him out in 2 or 3 rounds.

    2) Taylor tries to do the same thing he did last time, and just do it better. Pavlik won't get cute and clown JT a second time, so there is no repeat of round 2. That means Taylor goes out in 5 rounds.

    3) By some miracle Taylor manages to keep his left up, and stops backing straight back into the ropes when he gets hurt. He tries the best he can to box and move, get in, throw some shots, and get out. If he fights smart, the fight could go 10 or 11 rounds before Pavlik KO's him again. (That would mean JT took Pavlik further than anyone else ever has.)

    The end result will be the same as last time. Only this time instead of asking;

    "What happened Manny? did I get knocked out?"

    Taylor will be asking,
    "Ozell Nelson???"
    "How the **** did I end up here all alone with you???"

    Boo
     
  10. JETSKI

    JETSKI Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah...he'll still think Manny is in his corner as his eyes are going like this...

    :nut
     
  11. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Recent posts say KP is getting cocky. These are his most recent quotes to the media, show me where? I don't see it. Good bye for ever, JT. KP = KO rd7.
     
  12. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Those who favor Taylor in this fight, tell me, what are his keys to victory? Seriously, no BS please, just astute opinions/examples.
     
  13. AG11

    AG11 LETS GO COTTO! Full Member

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    Yea....This is a pretty good analysis. Pavik is going to end up the winner no matter how you look at it.
     
  14. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First thing he has to do is convince Taylor. If Taylor suddenly learns how to step sideways, it might take a lot of convincing.
     
  15. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In order for Taylor to win, he needs to become a textbook boxer. He needs to keep both his hands up near his eyes, and elbows in. He needs to work off the jab, throwing straighter punches. He needs to manage the ring, circling to his left, staying away from the right hand. Taylor is naturally more athletic and faster than KP, but his style doesn't allow him to use his abilities. He has shown that when he connects cleanly, he can do some damage. I don't know what type of roadwork program he has implemented, but obviously he needs to strengthen it to increase his stamina. Taylor has used his current style for the past 10 years, so I see it being very difficult to change something that has become second nature to him. I don't see him being able to do it. This is why I see KP KOing him again.