That thread should have been dead a long time ago, I came back from a week's respite and couldn't believe it was still going!
Exactly . . . that's repeated bullshits. I don't see how a fighter like Pacquaio who fought top oppositions 126 and captured the 130 belt recently and who is now aiming to get another belt at a higher weight can be called a "coward'. :-( Here's a challenge for cryboy JMM :yep . . . he fights and beats Campbell . . . I'm looking at Pac/JMM III late this year or before the year ends. :happy
I don't get why GBP would try to freeze Pacquiao like this, Arum has legions of bums to put MP against no names like Solis. It would be much better for Marquez/Campbell to take place sooner and JMM win it to leave the Pacman team with no other big money fight option. I would hate it if JMM decided to fight until November, August at the latest would be great.
Agree on that. If Campbell/JMM happens soon . . . that leaves a space for the winner to fight Pacquaio before the end of the year. Isn't this what JMM wanted? A third fight with Pacquaio? So let's hear it from Team JMM and GBP. :yep
You're missing the point here. Everyone knows that Casa will have to basically kill Juan Diaz to even get a draw. Casa already screwed up GBP's plans by beating Katsidis. If he doesn't knock out Diaz, no way he wins the fight. Period. So lets all assume for a second that Diaz wins a decision vs. Casa in Sept. GBP then wants to do Juan Diaz vs. Pacquiao. What better way to get leverage on Arum, than to eliminate Pac's 2 other best options (Campbell and Marquez)? If Campbell and Marquez are fighting each other in November, then Pac doesnt have a high profile dance partner available at 135 for his projected Nov-Dec fight. Except of course for...... you guessed it..... Juan Diaz. Now I'm sure the GBP press releases would simply talk about how great they are, and how they get their guys the best fights, and how everyone should sign with them, and blah, blah, blah, but make no mistake. They are more than willing to serve up Marquez to Campbell, in order to increase their chances of making Pac-Diaz. Campbell-Marquez happening in August serves no purpose for GBP, which is why they will never let it happen that soon.....
If what you are saying is "just close" to what is true . . . then GBP is a making a big gamble. What makes them too sure that Pac is fightig Juan Diaz next? Knowing Arum . . . he'll most probably arrange a Campbell vs Pac next to keep GBP out of the picture. If JMM refuses this . . . he blows out his chance to get a rubber match. And I don't see why Pac will not fight Juan Diaz or Casa. :deal
It actually a no-lose situation for them, as long as the fight takes place in late October or November. If Marquez loses, then so what. Campbell is still unavailable for a Pacquiao fight, leaving Juan diaz as the only available high-profile opponent for Pac at 135. And should Marquez win, then they control 3 of the 4 belts at lightweight. Then they put Marquez in with the Pac-Diaz winner. The only thing that could screw them, would be the fight happening in August, and Campbell winning. Should Campbell dominate or KO Marquez, since Pac has 2 disputed decisions with Marquez, then the battle cry for Pac-Campbell would be too loud to ignore, and Diaz would be the odd man out. But then maybe Marquez could fight the Katsidis-Chavez winner for the "Ring Interim" title. lolol
Now you are the one missing point . . . If JMM wouldn't fight Campbell early . . . I can almost assure you that Campbell will chose to fight Pac on November instead of JMM. Why? How much would Campbell earn in fighting JMM and how much would he be earning in fighting Pacquaio? :yep
We would never agree to fight Marquez in November. We cant wait that long. We have a WBO mandatory that will have to be dealt with also. And nobody can say for sure exactly what will happen with Pac on June 28. So there's no way we would lock ourselves into a fight with Marquez for November, not knowing the status of our WBO mandatory, or the status of Pac-David Diaz. We have no problem with the Marquez fight, but it would have to happen in August.
There you go . . . it's right there . . . "there's no way we would lock ourselves into a fight with Marquez for November". While it's true that we are not sure what will happen on the Pac/David Diaz fight . . . Campbell wanted to keep his options open. Even if Pac loses to Diaz . . . there's a chance Campbell would still fight him because of money. So if both JMM and Pac is available on November . . . I can assure you that Campbell will chose Pac over JMM. The WBO mandatory thing is a shallow excuse for me.
It's only a shallow excuse because you dont see the whole picture. We have a WBO mandatory due. Currently its casamayor, who wont fight Nate. So the WBO has to strip him, appoint Khan, let Khan step aside, and appoint Peterson. Until that process happens, we cant make long term plans. The WBO will allow us to fight 1 voluntary defense right now, because of the mess with their mandatory sitaution. That voluntary needs to be Marquez, if they want it (if they dont, then Nate will fight someone else). Pac in November would be a unification (WBC), so the WBO rules permit that to take priority over a mandatory defense. So if it comes down to november, we only have 2 choices: A WBO mandatory defense, or Pac (assuming he WINS). Anything else, and we'd get stripped of the WBO title. Now you might say "who cares?". Thats because you're not seeing the big picture. Frank Warren would like nothing more than for us to get stripped, so he can hand the WBO belt to Khan, without having to fight Nate. And fighting Khan in England would be a big money fight. So, it is VERY important that we keep the WBO title, as that is the ONLY way we will ever get the Khan fight. As long as we have it, then sooner or later Khan will have to fight Nate. If Khan gets the belt without fighting Nate, then we will never get that fight.
Well I'm calling that a shallow excuse because Casa has already openly declared he is not interested to fight Campbell.:yep :good