Can a case be made that SRR ducked dangerous opponents?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And, if so, how should it effect his legacy?
     
  2. TommyV

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    Examples? I can't think of anyone he avoided other than Charley Burley. The guy fought something like 24 HOF's and was WW champ and MW champion 5 times. It shouldn't affect his legacy. He's definately top 3 p4p of all-time no matter what.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    Burley
    Cocoa Kid
    Jack Chase
    Holman Williams
    Eddie Booker

    Just a few. McGrain should be able to help me out here. He drove a very hard bargain with his fights.
     
  4. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    I think Suzie Q once made a thread about this, he has a list somewhere.
     
  5. teeto

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    Yea, mcgrain will be here shortly, i guarantee it!

    I think it was just about money with Robinson, he wanted to be paid good for dangerous opponents, but one way or another he did duck Burley, i still have him as the greatest though
     
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    No Kid Gavilan avatar acb??
     
  7. Nobudius

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    A case can be made, but a VERY weak one IMHO. Some of those guys mentioned just weren't in the right place, at the right time(mostly nearing the end). The strongest case was probably Burley, but even his case is highly debatable on being "ducked".

    It's a good topic to look into though.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    I think it's pretty clear that Robinson ducked him, although that's not to say he couldn't have beaten Burley. Burley twice offered him the biggest purse of his career.
     
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    Its coming back, I found a few more good ones today.

    Thought it may good to switch it up for a while.
     
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    YOU HAVE NO LOYALTY! Kidding, ive laways stuck to the same avatar, might change it though, not sure what to have though, i'll have a look now actually, theres some great young Duran shots, gimme a minit!
     
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  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    The Men Sugar Ray Robinson could have fought in early-mid 1940s but didn't


    Cocoa Kid
    Holman Williams
    Charley Burley
    Archie Moore
    Jack Chase
    Eddie Booker
    Lloyd Marshall
    Ezzard Charles




    If Robinson was willing to step up and fight Jake Lamotta 5 times in the early 1940s, he could have stepped up and fought some of these men too. Did Robinson duck these men? no. did he miss out on fighting some of them? yes
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Who do you have on that list beating him, or running him close?
     
  14. Asterion

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    How do you know?

    Maybe, very deep inside his mind, he was scared of them.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    I don't consider the natural LHW's on that list to be fighters he ducked or should've fought, which is why my list was shorter. Guys like Moore and Charles were too big at their best.