Can a defenseless fighter defeat a premier all time great?

Hypothetically? Sure, if he is siginificantly faster than his opponents.

 

Whats with the reference to football and baseball teams...how is it relevant?

 

Imagine losing to a guy with no arms and legs, I would never show my face in public again.

 

with the names u gave....i cant see it

 

In the sense that anyone can beat anyone by luck at any time, the answer is yes... but its not very likely & they have virtually zero chance of coming out on top in a 3 fight series.

 

Well, I wouldn't say that Frazier was defensless (he is pretty underrated defensivly) but for sure he kicked Ali's ass in the first fight and took a lot himself.

Rocky Marciano (underratedd also but pretty hittable) vs. Charles/Walcott

Brewster KO5 Wlad (pre prime)

 

:huh seems to me you have been smoking the :rasta

In your head the question you are asking may sound like the greatest most mindbending question the in world, but to us it is coming out like :barf

The sports examples you came up with in the beginning don't do your arguement justice. If you are alluding to a specific ATG, there are no ATG without a defence, so you are better off giving this ATG a name so we argue about it. This ATG, may have limited defence in comparison to other ATG, but if they have an awesome chin, and great offence to be considered an ATG, they probably more than make up for the lack of defence.

 

He is referring to Pac as the defenceless fighter. Reading from his post, he resent the idea that Pac is being mentioned as peers of the fighters he mentioned in terms of AT Greatness

 

Your argument sounds good at the surface but is flawed. Defense is not actually what puts on the ATG list, neither is offense. It is a slew of factors, but at the end of the day it is accomplishments. And if in the hypothetical situation where Pac beats PBF, then yes, IMHO he is worthy of the top 15 of the ATG list.

Your logic is also flawed because you are basing it in hypothetical H2H match ups. Lennox Lewis would beat the crap out of several heavyweight but cannot be in the same breath as them.

ATG is a subjective list based on accomplishments and to a lesser degree skills and talents. PBF is much more classically skilled and talented than Pac, but I would not put him currently above Pac in my ATG list.
ATG is not a H2H list.

TL: DR - nice try but try again