Can a fighter become a GREAT if he NEVER beats one prime HOF-class opponent?

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  1. horst

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    A very simple question.

    Can a boxer become considered a GREAT if he
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    beats a prime version of a fighter who makes it into the H.O.F?


    Please vote and comment. :bbb
     
  2. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Eder Jofre comes to mind.
     
  3. horst

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    So your answer is yes then?
     
  4. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i definitely think so. longevity, skill set and dominance factor in. that's how many great fighters become great (ie: jeff chandler, pedroza)
     
  5. AceNguyen

    AceNguyen Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Ricardo Lopez or Ivan Calderon ever faced hall of famers but they're both great fighters.
     
  6. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Yup.
     
  7. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    This is more than likely going to end up playing a part in the legacy of Wladimir and Vitali. :lol:
     
  8. horst

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    It obviously wasn't peak Saldivar he beat, but it was when Saldivar was only 30, so it wasn't like he beat a corpse version.
     
  9. horst

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    I really do have a problem with this. How can we say a fighter proved to be great when he never beat a great fighter? Where's the proof? Does mere consistency really equal greatness? I accept this with a heavy heart, I must say.
     
  10. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    it's a tough question but the flip side is that if only good fighters could have that consistency, why don't more titlests have 20 defenses or more?

    longetivity, consistency and importantly skill set are important otherwise everyone would do it. i agree though, if you dominate mediocre competition, it's certainly not as valuable as proven yourself against great fighters. leonard has a sparse resume in terms of quantity of fights (relatively speaking) but his quality of opposition is threw the roof.

    for me a big balance and barometer is someone's skills, which can seperate the good from the great
     
  11. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    The proof is in the work they do, fighters don't control their era, or who develops or doesn't develop around them. They can only beat who they fight, they can only beat who is available, this isn't the choice of the fighter.
     
  12. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    I can name 2 great boxers that never beat a single pro fighter, prime or not prime.

    1. Teofilo Stevenson
    2. Felix Savon
     
  13. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What if there is no ATG available to fight? You wouldn't consider Ali great if it was his case? I observe fighters and decide what to think of them. It's no rocket science. Not a tough question.
     
  14. horst

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    Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. It's difficult to dispute that Ricardo Lopez is a great, but as I said, I have a hard time bestowing greatness on any guy who does not have at least one prime version of an HOF name on that record. Seems wrong somehow.
     
  15. horst

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    Great input. Thanks for posting. Ba-bye now.