Can a new trainer correct Juanma's glaring defensive weaknesses?

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  1. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    floyd. bhop or jmm didn't make a dramatic change, they still have the same style but use different aspects of their fighting styles (i.e floyd is more offensive)

    MAB went from being a brawler to a technician under rudy perez.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Marco Antonio Barrera, maybe.

    People forget that it was NOT at all early in his career when he transformed from brawler to slugger.

    FFS, he'd already come out of his initial retirement several years before he ate Prince Naz's soul. (let alone the Morales trilogy, and losses to Pacquiao)
     
  3. Emeritus

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    Those were who made the biggest successful change imo. I'd like to hear who YOU think did pls?
     
  4. Daruf

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    I think someone like Bouie Fisher (R.I.P) that guided Hopkins from destroyer to defensive wiz.
    Brother Nazim might be up for it, the main thing is you do not want him to be stuck between styles and be completely useless at both (the Atlas system)

    You want to preserve his offense as much as possible while adding defensive tweaks to make his life easier.
    I mean he can already last 10 rounds while having his head bashed in, im sure he could last 12 easy if he gets hit 25/35% less.

    Maybe even a Nacho who would teach him subtle head movements and feet placement to take the sting out of punches.
    He would also preserve his offense and maybe even teach him how to set it up better.

    As much as i respect Steward i think his method of training comes too late and would leave him stuck in styles.
     
  5. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    tibbs would be great - good match, his fighters have excellent head movement under pressure
     
  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most miraculous turn-around I've ever seen is Humberto Gonzalez, a cave man/ fireplug bantam, who winged sledge-hammer blows from the floor and flattened most opponents until he got stopped by Michael Carbajal in their first of three bouts.

    In their return, the cave man did a brilliant immitation of Willie Pep, painting Carbajal with jabs, giving him angles, flitting 'round the ring like Najinsky, Leaving Carbajal dumbfounded.

    Try to imagine an MI Tank toe dancing.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

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    Not as dramatic an example as Barrera, but I'd like to throw an honorary shout and give an A++ for effort to Daniel Ponce De Leon.

    Look at the Raramuri Warrior back during his "Okay, let's rumble! :bbb" days - when it was either smash (see: Bautista) or be smashed (see: Lopez).


    Then look at his last several performances.

    Look at him outboxing a good ESPN level fighter in Lock on the Mayweather-Mosley PPV, his systematically breaking down and destroying then-hot contender Antonio Escalante, his intelligent aggression clinic against Broner, holding his own against Gamboa, etc.

    Different guy. He's clearly been putting in the work, physically and mentally, trying his damnedest to wedge his rugged square self through a rounder hole to add some boxing to his punching.
     
  9. rompedientes

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    How old was Pacquiao when he started training with Roach... did Pacquiao style changed at all, was he better than now or did a new trainer in Roach actually help improve his style.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    From Ledwaba on. He had already been a world champion before Roach.

    He improved upon what he already had going on. He didn't change his style.

    Changing fighters or fitting them to a specific mold isn't really Freddy's M.O.
     
  11. Tito Time

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    Now this is a worthy thread on ESB. About ****ing time. Some great insight fellas.
     
  12. Relentless

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    i think khan has made huge improvements under roach even though he is still very flawed

    he went from getting knocked around and tagged up by guys like michael gomez and willie limmond to the top of the jr welterweight division
     
  13. jawbreaker

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    The problem is not Lopez's defense. He needs to work on his ring generalship. He fought that fight at the wrong distance. You can not fight a wild haymaking opponent going straight back, you are going to walk into the shots. He needed to clinch and work short shots on the inside and turn his opponent and let him walk into the punches. He needs a trainer with a higher boxing IQ. See Bute's KO over Andrade
     
  14. Kid Cubano

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    he is a pro, and he has his own talent.I have my hopes Lopez can be fixed if he commits himself to a change.A wild pitcher throwing 95 mph can be thought to breaking balls,changes and control.But you cant teach somebody to throw hard, its a gift.Lopez has a gift, he can bang and he has balls.Those 2 things you cant teach.
    He needs the right guidance and get rid of that arrogance,and must convince himself of his deficiences and commit to fix it.No to a perfect level but to a world class level.
    Can he do it? i dont know.
     
  15. Lopez needs to work on his footwork. He has a tendency to circle clockwise vs orthodox fighters walking directly into their wheelhouse. With a pressure fighter like Salido you are asking for it.