Can Anderson Silva surpass fedor as the greatest ever?

Er no actually. Chuck had just lost to Randy. Nice try. And the fact that Rampage would beat him again in the UFC suggests that Rampage just had Chuck's number. And Vitor Belfort had a longer winning streak in Pride than he ever did in the UFC. Nice try again.

 

And Hendo had just lost to Rampage before he fought AS :roll:, they were both still top dogs at the time.

 

So much biased view points here.

Do you agree that once your above 200, 210 it pretty much dosent matter when fighting in regards to weight but more in regard to skill level.

The best fighters now in the heavy division are-

Cain Velaquez 6'1 240
J. Dos Santos 6'4 240
A. Overeem 6'5 260


You could only call one a super heavy and that Overeem....Cain and Junior are very much normal sized heavies....and Cain could lose another 15 pounds of fat in reality.

Saying Fedor didnt beat up any great super-heavyweight is void, as in reality there has never been a great super-heavy or SO CALLED SUPER HEAVY.

Boxing has been around for 120 years.......we have only had 3 or pushing it 4 great super heavies.

Lennox Lewis
R. Bowe
W. Klitshcko
V. Klitshcko..

 

:smoke

 

You say Dan only lost to the very top guys? You must be forgetting about Misaki and all the other fighters like Kondo, Bustamante, and Ninja that Dan arguably lost to but recieved a decision over.

The absurdity of your argument can be summed up by the fact that you think Dan was peak in 06 when he arguably lost to Kazuo Misaki twice and looked like **** doing so, but was past it in 07 when he knocked out Wand and took the top LHW in world to an extremely close decision.

Your claims that Hendo's reduced use of wrestling and depleted stamina are evidence of him being past peak are unsubstantiated because Dan used his wrestling in all his UFC fights save one (how is getting a takedown not making a concerted effort to outwrestle someone?) and his gastank has never been the best.

Hendo has always been a fighter that show up big for some fights and not so big in others. Yeah sometimes you can quantify a fighters peak years but to say Dan was a different fighter in 06 than he was in 07 is a ridiculous argument.

 

I think you are either 12 years old, or just a bit simple.

Saying someone's peak years were 2001-2006 is not the same as saying "Dan Henderson was PEAK in '06 but SHOT in '07".

The periods where fighters are green, pre-prime, prime, past-prime, shot, etc are not black and white, no-one is saying they are.

But every fighter has a peak, that's an obvious fact of being a fighter. And every fighter declines with age, that's another fact.

If I had to say when Hendo was the best he ever was, I'd say it was in the midst of his Pride era, when he won the GP and was only beaten by serious top guys.

Now, I don't think he uses his wrestling as much and relies on power-punching instead (and I know that the vast majority of Hendo fans would agree) and I think his stamina has declined in recent years (and I know that the vast majority of Hendo fans would agree on that one as well).

And FFS, if a decorated wrestler scores one takedown in a 5-round fight, how the hell is that making a concerted effort to outgrapple someone??! If a boxer lands one punch in a 5-round fight, has he been making a concerted effort to outbox someone?! This point is just too dumb to even debate.


You think the Hendo who had to go life and death with Rich Franklin at 205 was as good as any other version of Hendo ever? Good for you man. Good for you! :good

 

Gdamit my left ball would win over Henderson
i cant read anymore its to much to read :dead

 

:-(

Something tells me you severely overestimate your own intellect.

Of course saying Dan's peak years were 2001-2006 is not the same as saying "Dan Henderson was PEAK in '06 but SHOT in '07". I never implied it was. My question is why do you consider 06 a peak year for Dan when he lost to Misaki (arguably twice), looked lackluster against Belfort, and had far better performances against top competition in 07?

You keep saying 01-06 was Dan's prime when he won the WW GP and only lost to top comp, but that last part is completely misleading. Dan lost to Misaki and had a couple of decisions against mid-tier opponents that could of easily went the other way. Although you forget these fights, you constantly cite the competitiveness of Franklin/Hendo as evidence for Dan being past prime in 09 despite Dan looking better in that fight than he did against, say, Misaki or Kondo in Pride.

Speaking of Hendo/Franklin, Dan took Franklin down 4 times out of 6 attempts. Not really consistent with your little "one takedown per 5 round fight" argument. Besides, you make it sound like Dan was a takedown machine in Pride and never stood with anyone ever. The truth, of course, is that Dan utilized his wrestling in Pride more or less the same way he did in UFC.

 

hahaha yea thats my opinion on hendo aswell.

 

Jones has been impressive so far but he is champ of the most stacked division in MMA. We'll have to see how the rest of his career plays out.

 

NO!! Never, no way. Anderson is one of the greatest but he never fought in a division where he should have never been(don't even meantion his 205 fights). By that I mean to be way undersized compared to his classmates. Fedor did it in the toughest divison at the pinnacle of the sport. For 10 years!! Just be heavyweight champ in PRIDE between 2003-2006 is impressive enough, but to be undisputed champ and give up major size advantage to almost every opponent, and demolish them, is legendary.

 

I agree. But you have to admit his control over his own emotions and ring intelligence played a huge roll in his success. The guy could'nt be taken off his mental game.