can any fighter in modern history become one of the greatest, if not the greatest?

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  1. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the reason i ask this question is because it seems we've entered a time where historians are so obsessed with the fighters of the past that i believe they can't accept the fighters in modern history being as good because they've grown up accepting the likes of robinson, armstrong, ali, louis being the best. now personally i believe pacquiao is one of hte greatest, his credentials are second to none, and i believe he's better than armstrong who was also a phenomenal boxer. some say pacquiao didn't hold three titles the way armstrong did, well i believe pacquiao could if he had that chance to as it seems he can make 140 aswell as beating guys who are alot bigger than him. he could hold titles from 140, all the way up to light middleweight right now. another thing people say is that the fighters of the past had over 100 fights when now our fighters only have about 40 fights, which is true, but they got to remember that fighters of the past kept active because it's the only way they could make enough money to live on, and a good three quarters of the fights were against journeyman calibre of fighters aswell, whilst pacquiao right now is very consistent with a very high calibre level of opponents.

    do you agree?
     
  2. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    For me personally, I'm not into all these lists of greatest of all-time so for me I just throw all the elite fighters in one catagory. Anyway, to answer your question, no I don't think any fighter today can be considered the "GOAT" based on the fact that some people can't accept Pacquiao in their "top 10" or "top 20 all-time great fighters" so If Pacquiao, can't do that then nobody can.
     
  3. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just as i thought. i'm not even on about fighters fighting of today, i'm going to say if there was a fighter in a few years time to come that was phenomenal, say as a heavyweight, i don't believe some could accept him being better than ali. i believe some have accepted the likes of ali has the bible of heavyweight boxing that you would have to be twice as good as him to be regarded just as good as him. that's what i mean by people being obsessed with the past legends.
     
  4. punk

    punk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It will be extremely difficult, and the standard in boxing would have to pick up a bit first. I do think it will happen though.
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Better than Armstrong?


    No.


    They can´t for three simple reasons:
    - too many belts
    - too many divisions
    - lack of depth in talent

    They may come close achievementwise, like Pac does, but when it comes to the most important thing, resume, they just can´t keep up. The era is just too shitty.
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Pacquiao > Armstrong
     
  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nice argument, buddy. No go back to the sandbox and play with shapes.
     
  8. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    I absolutly agree.

    Too many things in sport have changed over the years, rules, conditions, modern sport stars are generally conditioned in more stringent and modern techniques the fairest way to compare is to compare achievments, but you gotta also take into account the standard of opponants at the time too.
     
  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Shapes? "No?" **** you, ******.
     
  10. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    This question is asked time and time again and the answer is always NO.

    Why? fighters today arent tough like fighters of yesteryear and will not ever fight frequently enough against top opposition to ever gain that kind of respect.

    If Floyd and Pac were fighting 50 years ago we would already be on the 5th fight between them, instead we are caught up in girly negotiation antics and stupid drug testing.

    There will never be a guy as tough as SRR, armstrong or Harry Greb ever again.
     
  11. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How is it fair to compair acheivements when someone like Sylvester can grab a belt and call himself world champ? Same as Hagler or Monzon achievementwise? :lol:
     
  12. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tststs, are you upset, kiddo?
     
  13. undisputedhype

    undisputedhype T Music - Seach Me Full Member

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    they wouldnt be historians if they focused on the present. give it 20 years and pacquiao will be recognized as one of the greatest definitely. look what hes achieved so far, he has to be.
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Tststs? WTF is that? Upset? I'm merely trying to understand how much if this is due to language barrier, cultural barrier, or the simple maneuverings of a ******. Don't bail out so quickly, vagina.
     
  15. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Even if they are conciderably better they just won't surpass the champions of old. Even if there was a guy today (at any weight) who would whoop all of his competition inside 4 rounds, unify all the belts and be #1 until he retires 50-0, 50KO's, a lot of boxfans and historians blame the depth of the division, the lack of populairity of the sport and the fact he didn't fight 120+ bouts.

    There's no winning this... So just forget about it.