can any fighter in modern history become one of the greatest, if not the greatest?

Having said all that, there are still standout guys like Hopkins and Floyd who have all the technical artistry of anyone who ever lived. I'm just not sure Floyd beats every welterweight with that style. Just the general competence of the welter division has been spiralling down since the early 80s.

 

No.

 

"most people" = "his fanboys". Not so much for the rest. Jones is a longshot from Pac.

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Watch this fight, ignore that there is no colour, no multiple camera angles,that it´s not in hd, the bad quality and that it is speed up and just look at what those two are doing. Tell me where are those guys not as good as the guys today, 20, 30 or 40 years back.

 

Oops i admit i'm wrong. I kinda miscalculated that post. In fact, i agree with you in principle, Duran is 16th in my list (pac is 18th).

But people stopped watching Duran's fight as early as 90's. He's not higher than Leonard in my honest opinion. People ranks him higher because of his number of fights and resume (the only great he beat is leonard, though he beat total of 3 HOF'er), he lost 5 out of 7 major fights, achievement is diffrent from resume.

People making Duran in their top 20 in the 90's are being treated as ******* then.

 

one thing i am sure pacman is the GOAT in catch weights

 

SRR was ranked as the GOAT while still active, Louis was talked about in the same sentence as Johnson and Dempsey while still active, Ali was seen as the greatest hw ever while still active. More examples? Sorry, that simply holds no truth.

IMO there are 6 fighters that ar set apart from the other great fighters. Then there are around 10-15 fighters who have arguments for filling up the Top10 - that´s where Duran is. Then there are again 10-15 fighters who have arguments for filling up the Top20 - that´s where Leonard and Pac are. And so on.

 

The thing is a loss in today's time would destroy your ATG rankings. In the past fighters were actually allowed to lose.

Pacquiao is easily up there with the greatest fighters of all time. Having lists with fighters who don't even exist on video is ridiculous.

 

I can agree with the SRR case, he's still going and looking to be still at this peak at fight 160ish. Who would argue he's a living / active GOAT. The sport is still at it's infancy in the 50's.

I disagree with Louis, he's overrated and a darling of the press then. The division in his era lacks talent (his opponent's resumes are hilarious), plus he's in the pre-SRR era - my infancy point applies to Louis. Don't get me started about Ali. And no, he's not touted as the greatest pre-ban era, that's what he says to himself.

 

Sorry but that´s bs. Watch the fight I posted, ignore the film quality and say again boxing was at it´s infancy in the 50s. The fight is from the early 30s. :rofl

30s hw division was much better than you think.

 

To be fair the achievements of a SRR or an Armstrong would be difficult to match in any era.

In any case, some are already calling Pacquiao the greatest fighter they've ever seen, so that's telling me it is possible. Pac probably won't be getting considerations as the G.O.A.T. as things stand, but with a couple more crushing wins over a Mayweather and the Williams/Martinez winner he could very well be up there.

I'm sure when it's all said and done he will be a definate top 10 ATG on most people's list. It usually takes many years after a fighter retires for their true greatness to be determined, as fans of the sport to get the chance to properly reflect on their career and get the true measure of their achievements.

 

I did. It's my hobby to watch old fights. I ignored the video quality but still saw the winning fighter not winning against a peak Mosley.

What do you want me to say?

I'm not surprised in those videos, i am not underestimating boxing in the 1920s onwards. What post that gave you that impression?

 

Jeezus you do talk some ****ing shite:yep Yer just another box-rec stat-hound pal Duran was atop boxings Mount Olympus in 78 & signed sealed & delivered after he handed Leonard his arse in Montreal you clown.

So Duran lost 5 out of 7 major fights did he!!! & what were these fights & the circumstances eh!!! So by losing to the great Marvelous Marvin Hagler counts as a big negative according to your reasoning eh, so going from being undisputed lightweight champion for the best part of a decade & then challenging for the undisputed Middleweight title within 4 years when his best years were behind him & giving hagler fits in the process when the Likes of Leonard & Hearns could'nt put enough distance between themselves & Hagler. Duran being the only man to take Hagler the full 15 only to get pipped at the post counts for ****-all in your eyes then.

What are you talking about people stopped watching Duran fights in the early 90's!!! you really do know absolutly ****-all, Duran broke the attendance records at the MGM grand in 94 for a non title fight when he fought Vinny Paz. Every Duran fight was packed out even when well into his 40's such was his pulling power & always will be.

So according to you being an undisputed lightweight champion & then dethroning the P4P welterweight king in Leonard at welterweight & being only the 2nd fighter in history to do that after Homicide Hank & name another lightweight champ thats won the middleweight title. you are just the typical stat hound, hero today & a bum tommorow, boo, boo, he lost, boo heez a bum, you're just one of those mugs that drools over PPv figures & ranks the fighter accordingly:****

 

Apart from me not expounding how great Duran's 2 wins against HOF/ATG. Don't wet your pants if i miss the emotional drivel on your passionate boxing adjectives. I realise the odds of beating Hagler, but Duran has a good chance before the fight, don't make it sound as if it's 100 to 1 odds or a given that he'll already loose - signing the fight and showing up isn't an achievement yet pal. I'm a Duran fan, but not as Durantard like you - i see it as it is, without emotional biasness. And no, his '94 MGM sellout fight isn't top notch attendance.

 

a pathetic re-poste as expected from an exposed & owned PPv stat-hound ***** now **** of back to box-rec you streak of paralysed ****:yep

 

Being rated top 10 n the Ring isn't a big deal. Dimentrenko, Valuev, Arreola are all Ring top 10 for example...Klitschko's have beaten a whole lot of them yet still get 0 credit.

Top 10 p4p would be a different story.