Can anybody give an educated analysis on Hagler vs Monzon?

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I'm notorious for intentionally creating controversial threads, but that have underlying positive meaning for views on the sport.

In fact, some video in this thread would be very good, let's make this a good display of analysis. I wish I had video editing program so I could make a comprehensive analysis like Al Berstein does with yellow arrows...:yep

Sorry, I need to stray away from comedy for a bit.

 

I think Hagler's opposition is a little bit better than Monzon's IMO.. but for the most part there resumes are very comparable. I'm not basing who would win off of whose resume is better, I'm just saying.. Monzon gets a little overrated for looking effective against opposition that wasn't exactly elite.

 

Who these guys fought has nothing to do with how they match up together respectively, only the styles of the fighters. Monzon's resume being better than Hagler's doesn't mean he has an edge over Hagler.

The analysis has to be done head on with factors pointing out. Intangibles, styles, fight examples apply.

 

read page 1. You might see why I made that reply.

 

From these video's, Monzon has the style advantage, I think he eats pressure fighters for breakfast, but Hagler has all of the intangibles except for timing and ring generalship. Monzon won't be able to hurt Hagler and Hagler's speed is the superior.

I think Monzon's left hook will find it's scoring mark on Hagler, with Hagler's jab being just as effective as Monzon's to the contrary. Monzon's jab will find it's mark, fight may be a jabbing war early looking at it.

It's going to come down to ring generalship and will, which is fairly even.

Do you agree with this so far?

Also highly loving that Monzon hook right now. Hagler's straight counter is nasty also, that'll find it's mark on Monzon pretty well and will do so early, BUT, he doesn't use it enough I don't think.

Body work goes to Hagler, Monzon's straight right being a factor? Oh yeah, see Hearns-Hagler especially even though that's not apart of the video.

 

Subsequently I did not give Hagler enough credit as a counter puncher when need be as I should have in the former post.

I think that Hagler bulling forward behind a jab leaves a definite scoring opening for Monzon's beautiful left hook and right hand, so that stylistically favours Monzon, with Hagler's own timing and speed evening that out quite a bit.

But if the tables turn and Hagler is losing that one, he can also play the counter puncher and stand his ground from that position, which would force Monzon to use his underrated movement to turn and counter Hagler back while leading with his jab. Who would have the tactical advantage here? It may be Hagler, may be even, more video would count.

If it's the Hagler that Duran fought, definitely favours Monzon, but we're not going from that.

I'll stay with Hagler having the advantage from the counter punching standpoint if he needs to draw Monzon in and Monzon having the advantage with a pressuring Hagler who's working his way in off of the jab. I stay the same with Hagler scoring well to the body, but the catch 22 is that he will be eating more counters from Monzon, EVEN with his great lateral movement, Monzon's timing and sense of distance is in a world of his own.

There are more factors, such as who's going to carry harder down the stretch, but I anticipate an intense fight from the get go, the early rounds being tactical and it heating up as it goes. Hagler inside would do some serious damage, but that's easier said than done, he could come inside and score well, then Monzon could reset after counter him with precise short punches.

I'll also say that even though this would be a heavily brutal match, some good display of underrated defence comes into play and you'll see some wild misses from both here and there.

Who's better in the clinch? I say Monzon from the video above.

 

And as to my final prediction, I'll stay with Monzon close decision, but I'm thinking razor close. Hagler could win this just the same and I'm probably missing many factors. I'm not knowledgable enough to make a cemented concrete prediction on these two guys, but I know for a fact that the fans would be the winners and it would be so close that a draw would probably be reasonable.

I hope to see as many factors drawn out and I'll chime back in if I see something else that should be noted as a definite factor.

 

Nice thread. Just finished reading the posts and it's getting late. I'll be back for comments after watching the videos later on.

 

And they got married and lived happily ever after...

 

So if you had to bet 500$ on a winner, who do you have?