How good was this guy ? ? How fair I would be if I consider him as one of the most underrated MWs ever ?? This content is protected Should be in HOF it seems......
Thanks for this non cliché post Years ago I sent to Cincy for all three ringside reportages of his ten round schooling of young but lethal as hell Ezzard Charles. All three accounts we equally breathtaken at the skill shown by this outstanding forgotten fighter. He published a book written only in Spanish which i cant read. Ive had a hellva craving to read it for so damm long!
he was a Great fighter and is much credited by quite a few boxing historians/researchers, but the same Tunero was stopped in 6, by the greater Jock McAvoy... who is almost always forgotten & overlooked!!! Shame so many TOP Brits & Euro fighters are quickly dismissed, and yes many were not quite as good. But by God the TOP of them were No less fighters than the "praised" and in some cases even better!
yer not gonna like this thistle but this was a fighter forced to do business in a situation like this.
I've only ever heard that once, and that was from you. Is this claimed in his book? I don't dislike it, I just like to see forgotten greats get their credit as well! McAvoy dropped all of his American comp except John Henry Lewis, whom was far the bigger man, and including L-HW cum HW Al kid McAvoy, who was very high regarded too, so why should anyone ever have excepted anything less in the Tunero bout? especially when having never heard even an utterance or reading anything like this before?
What I have read about Kid Tunero's boxing career is telling me he was not in the category of a Ray Robinson, a Charley Burley, based on the amount of losses he had in his prime years from 1933 to 1938, when he was 23-28 years of age... For example while he had some great wins over, Ezzard Charles, Ken Overlin,Marcel Thil, Tunero lost to these top fighters he faced... Marcel Thil Gustav Roth Carmelo Candel Eric Seelig Jock McAvoy- kod 1934 Vilda Jacks [2] Gustav Eder Bep Van Klaveran Holman Williams [2] Tunero was in his prime fighting age those days, so it could be he was a very good fighter, but not a world beater in the mould of a charley burley, nor a Bert Lytell IMO...
Burt theres a lot more to a fight than perusing a fighters record This is what Kid Tunero said in re the McAvoy fight. Thanks to Enrique Encinosa* for his detailed translation. Hi _Tunero claimed that he was handling MCAvoy well but after a cornerman -who he believed was paid off by the promoter- towelled his face he went into a zombie trance and walked out of the corner arms at his side as though out for a stroll. being hit flush. * Boxing--This is It! by Hank Kaplan, Enrique G. Encinosa (Used, New ... www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/.../Boxing--This is It! Alibris has Boxing--This is It! and other books by Hank Kaplan, Enrique G. Encinosa, including new & used copies, rare, out-of-print signed editions, and more.
S, as I posted "looking at the record", i gave my opinion...I had great admiration for Hank Kaplan with whom i was in phone conversations many times. So even if the McAvoy incident was true, it doesn't explain his MANY losses in his PRIME years away...A Charley Burley, Eddie Booker, Bert Lytell faced the same obstacles in their careers but SELDOM lost fights...OF course it could also mean that many of the European fighters such as Thil, Seelig, Bep Van Klaveran, Eder, Vilda Jacks were better than we think... I just think that the simplest explanation is that Burley, Booker, Lytell were superior fighters to Tunero over all...
this kind of thing can happen, of course it can, Ali v Liston, Cooper. Doesn't mean it did though! McAvoy's record and supperiority is seen in his many other opponents, BIGGER ones too. and yes Burt of course fighters from abroad were better than credited with, the TOP one's that is, the Cream :deal
Well what if the ringside write-ups correspond with Kids story?? PS Thistle wasn't it u who had a conspiracy theory in re Hagler vs Finnegan 1??
I wish u asked Hank...my friend also....about Tunero. Wins and losses become less relevant when the fact are explained. Archie Moore citing Hatchetman Sheppard as a harder puncher that Marciano would be a great example.
Incidentally, Hank Kaplan's great boxing collection now resides at the Bklyn College Archives in Brooklyn NY,since Kaplan passed away....
