Can anyone tell me why Muhammad Ali is so revered outside the ring?

You think the black man in Chicago didn't face racism?

 

You are not getting it yes he faces racism but his chances of being strung up was far greater in Mississippi do you get it now.:think

 

Yeah, of course. But in the 50's, regardless of where you were, and especially if you were growing up near the Deep South, blacks to be subject to some form of racism, at some point, regardless of where they were. That's all I'm saying. Not discounting anything that Frazier or anyone else had to endure, or excusing anything Ali said or did...just saying that he experienced racism as well. That's it.

 

Wtf does this mean, lmao?

 

Is that where Ali and Frazier are originally from?

 

maybe you need to watch a few of the 100 docs on him rather than ask a bunch of message board idiots

 

No but long story short just because you where in a bad situation is no excuse to be a a@@ hole.

 

Ali wasn't a particularly nice person some of the time, in the same way that powerfully driven people rarely are.

A lot of his flaws were bred in the horrible racist times he lived in, and we'd suffer the same problems if we were raised in his times. You cant blame someone unduly for joining something antiwhite when whites are murdering blacks and getting away with it scot-free, in that circumstance its a form of freedom fighting.

Put another way, Nat Turner and John Brown should be revered for their attempts to halt racism but it don't mean they were as sound as pound blokes, and by comparison they were much better people who those millions of americans who were happy to let racism continue.

 

You didn't and don't even know him. How would you know this to be true?

 

Well, the NOI weren't just anti-white, they were fundamanetally racist in a broader sense, and followed a crackpot ideology. Totally supported separation of the races, believed that blacks and white should be prohibited from mixing and marrying. They were opposed to the civil rights movement, and shared a lot of goals with the American Nazi Party and the KKK if truth be told.

Now, they had a big growing following at the time due to Malcolm X, who actually talked a lot of sense, and evolved his thinking beyond the racist mythology and cultish essence of the NOI.
But the problematic thing with Muhammad Ali is that he was a die-hard supporter of Elijah Muhammad, and turned his back on Malcolm when the rift occurred, and carried on spouting his devotion to Elijah's ideas for years after.

Muhammad Ali comes across a bit of an idiot in all fairness. And the fact that he seemed to court the attention of mainstream white America for his entire career, and had many whites within his entourage, makes the stupidity of some of his statements even more stupid.
But that's just my take.

He's a true legend though. He still gets people talking and debating, so he had something besides his boxing.

 

yeah I don't deny they werent militant and segregatory in response to forced segregation on themselves but a comparison to the KKK and the Nazis is way OTTP. There were no mass murders of whites by black militants, though I appreciate you wrote 'goals' and not actual effects.

Its white America that was largely accepting of Nazi beliefs, albeit largely in a laissez faire manner. Laissez faire is pretty much a crime if you are just letting people die, don't you think? To explore the Nazi comparison further - freedom fighting Jews werent particularly bad people for killing Nazis, IMHO. It simply just took a fierce personality to stand up against that kind of horror, you needed to somewhat unhinged to consider picking up a gun and facing the odds let alone to succeed against them. Its those who let fellow Jews die without trying when they could have, who were guilty of worse.

 

You disgrace the STL with stuff like this.

 

I'm not saying the NOI were in the same league as Hitler's Nazis, or murderers like the KKK .... but they shared some of the same goals as the American Nazi Party, and the KKK.

Google "Elijah Muhammad American Nazi Party" .... you'll find he was on speaking terms and in correspondence with George Lincoln Rockwell, the crackpot self-proclaimed Fuhrer of the American Nazis.
Google image search and you will see uniformed Nazis sitting in a "Black Muslim" meeting !

Malcolm X claimed that he was in talks with the KKK on Elijah's bequest !

I assume that the NOI felt the threat of the integrationists ('race-mixers') was a bigger threat to their ideals than the extreme white supremacists, who might be happy to see all the blacks disappear into some 'blacks only' promised land.

 

My opinion nothing to do with the LOU just don't believe he was a great man.

 

There's ton of information on Ali.