Can Boxing Evolve and Improve Much More Technically Then It Has In The Last 70 Years?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Mandanda, Aug 11, 2009.


  1. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Yeah i feel sometimes at younger ages we look for results more then development. Ok i know were not in football bussiness where you can lose a game with a academy side and feel positive. A loss to a kid in boxing is devastating but i feel our fighters are to prepped on fight by fight rather then long term development.

    Then you got the fact the guys that are teaching them are the same guys taught that style. So unless the coach goes out of his way to develop and has good understanding and has a way with fighters and teaching were gonna keep seeing the ear muffs and the high pressure fighters.

    Things are changing slowly but surely but it would be nice if we could create a technician who boxed with understanding and craft.
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Would he bollocks. He wouldn't even beat the man with the Maths degree :lol:

    You don't really have much of an idea about technique if you think standing center ring flat footed with ear muffs on which is what Roy Jones in his current state does is an example of fine technique. He might throw punches with good technique but he has no footwork anymore and because his reflexes are shot to **** he has to stand there with a basic defence soaking up punishment.
     
  3. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    True, My boxing gym it was results results results. The trainer went once...''don't throw hooks there dangerous, keep everything straight''. Stuff like that hinders a fighters development. Luckily i was a lil **** and never did as i was told :D
     
  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like this video, and I've seen others from the same guy, but he makes a few mistakes repeatedly. Too many of these skills that he mentions are pretty much luck. They rely on the opponent making a mistake, which is often against Oakland Billy Smith or Coley Wallace, and capitalising. Fair enough, it shows their skill but that's what you'd expect from great fighters. It doesn't break down why the 'classical' style is any more useful effectively.
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Course it did, it used Oscar De La Hoya. Could have done with some footage to demonstrate it mind.
     
  6. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I agree with you, i think it may of been you TFFP (in another thread where i posted the vid...not to sure...:think) any how the poster mentioned a few things about the video..such as the bit with the modern stance (ODLH Bit) and the stance used by Burley.

    It's a really done video but as your right i have noticed that myself. I'd like to see more video's like that.
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The only real flaw in the video is the inherent flaws in making a video like that to prove a preconceived idea.

    He only has a short time to demonstrate things, its very difficult to do that without showing what looks to be a 'mistake' from the opponent. After all any time you get hit or miss its a mistake, right? I think he did a sound job in highlighting good things about that stance and how it drew the mistakes.

    Then he could show Oscar getting smacked, and Burley's wizardry, point proven right? Then it would be a bit one sided if he showed that, Burley got hit too occasionally. Difficult video to pull off, think he did an admirable job.
     
  8. Black2023

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    Interesting could you expand on this? I notice Chisora on you avatar...a fighter that really could use with the help of better skills.
     
  9. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Great thread.

    I don't think we'll see any technical improvement on what we've seen from the greats already, especially from the 20's/30's onwards. That's when the technical improvements took a big leap. Far from seeing improvements i think we'll see a regression and it's already starting to happen.

    The reason's are because fighters are not as active, they become stagnant, they don't grow and it really effects them. We're running out of true teachers who show you how it's done, rather then just bark it out...it's a big concern. You'll see fighters with serious flaws and they won't correct it as they go along. We've got far to many conditioners and fitness coaches acting as boxing trainers and it'll only get worse IMO.

    Also and as Johna touched on, there's far to much emphasize on the 'fitness' side and not the actual boxing and learning your craft.