Can Calzaghe Penetrate the RJJ Turtle Shell?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dunks, Jul 14, 2008.


  1. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    I have been thinking of this fight and how it will play out lately, I watched each of the fighters last fights *Calzaghe-Hopkins* & *Jones Trinidad* and both of those fights tell alot about where each fighter is at right now in their careers. Now I know all of the typical Roy Jones Jr haters that this board is full of will yap about how "Roy is shot":huh , " Roy is washed up":-( & "Roy is 39 and should retire:patsch ".....in boxing you are only good as your last fight. What happened to Roy Jones Jr (in getting KO'ed back to back by Tarver & Johnson) 3 years ago is something that happens to alot of fighters in their careers. I still to this day (along with many BOXING Experts & Writers) believe that the KO's that occured to Roy were due to his quick * inefective weight loss strategy after the Ruiz fight. Mackie Shilstone who was the main reason that RJJ was able to effectively move up to Heavyweight and keep his speed & power intact has been quoted numerous times that Roy Jones DID NOT effectively remove the weight properly and that is the reason RJJ's body did not perform the same way as it did before the move up to HW.

    How about we use some non biased evalution for a minute.:think ....In looking at the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight, I really didnt see much of anything Calzaghe displayed that would cause many if any problems against RJJ. All I saw was a man with an excellent work rate VS a man who doesnt have the work rate or power to neutrilize the workrate. B-Hop is crafty and savy in the ring, but he doesnt have the high punch volume nor does he have the power @ 175 to make Calzaghe respect him. He doesnt put any combinations together either. So what you get is a man looking to land 1 punch at a time which is pretty much pointless because while Hopkins waited & waited, Calzaghe was racking up points. Calzaghe never really landed any type of punch that would make you say:shock: "WOW"..............:bart ...........all of those punches actually came from B Hop (one right hand at a time) but it was far too little in the end. Calzaghe is a very good fighter IMO, I think he is underated by alot of fans, I mean a guy who was a champ for 10 years and is now 43-0 must be pretty darn good. BUT.......he has never been in the ring with a fighter with the skills like Roy Jones Jr. (even at the age of 39)

    We have to remember Roy is Bigger & Stronger @ 175 than Calzaghe is. Calzaghe's first fight @LHW was against a man who was really a Middleweight. Calzaghe hasnt been tested by a TRUE LHW with speed & power. Roy Jones Jr's style IMO is all wrong for Calzaghe especially with Roy's "TURTLE SHELL" defense that he has adapted his style around. Roy's counterpunching accuracy will be his bread and butter in this fight. He will see openings all night and exploit them with head & body combonations that the "face first/ wild punch throwing" Calzaghe will have no answer for. Although Calzaghe is a southpaw like Tarver, he isnt a counterpunching southpaw. He doesnt wait around to throw a punch he will come towards RJJ which will be in Roy's favor. Calzaghe has no sense of defense while throwing punches and this will be his downfall in the fight IMO.

    Roy Jones is also a GREAT body puncher, so I wonder how will Joe's "WORKRATE" hold up once RJJ begins to break his body down? How will he react once RJJ unleashes a few sharp right hands followed by left hook? Roy is a fast starter & Joe is a slow starter, so will this play a part in the fight? These are all questions that will be answered on fight night. Calzaghe cant OUTBOX RJJ in any style, when they are in the center of the Ring you will see the difference in handspeed....:admin ...if they fight inside you will see the difference between an ATG and a GOOD fighter of this era. If anyone thinks RJJ is going to get walked down by Calzaghe you are insane, if anyone thinks Calzaghe will outpoint RJJ you are insane and you will be amazed come fight night. I wouldnt be suprised if this fight turned out just like Hatton-Mayweather turned out. With the smarter,faster,stronger & more versatile fighter prevailing in the end.:deal

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  2. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    LMAO:lol:

    You really think Calzaghe has enough power in those SLAPS to push RJJ to the ropes and beat him silly without Roy Jones countering those wide & wild punches?:patsch

    how long have you watched boxing for?:think
     
  3. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I liked your post and agreed with a lot of it but your hinting at a huge criteria advantage by Jones is incorrect.

    Something along these lines would be more appropriate:

    Current Jones, Current Calzaghe

    Hand Speed - Jones 5, Calzaghe 4
    Accuracy - Jones 5, Calzaghe 3
    Defense - Jones 4, Calzaghe 3
    Power - Jones 4, Calzaghe 2
    Combinations - Jones 3, Calzaghe 5 (Jones throws minimal several punch combos nowdays)
    Adaptability -
    Jones 3, Calzaghe 5
    Body Attack - Jones 4, Calzaghe 3
    Stamina - Jones 3, Calzaghe 5
    Workrate - Jones 2, Calzaghe 5
     
  4. Irish Steel

    Irish Steel Active Member Full Member

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    I am starting to worry about this fight. I wonder if Calzaghe can pull this off.

    But I agree with rzarecta. Jones will shell up and fall against the ropes, while calzaghe pummels him with vicious mosquito bites. The thing is, when cal did this to hopkins, hopkins countered. Jones most likely wouldnt.
     
  5. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Good post most of the time - until you slipped in the end, and showed wildly bias towards RJJ and less and less for Calzaghe, and therefore totally negating you opening statements.

    On the road to a 8/10 - now you get 5/10. And no I will not post imaginary attributes, when boxing is more than 9 different stats.
     
  6. zarman

    zarman Guest

    alot of people are going to be emmbarassed comes fight night. not only are you saying jones is going to win but that people who dont think so are insane. you are going to be in for a real shocker and after, all the insane boxing experts and i are going to toast each other on a good but predictable conclusion while you are going to completely contradict this article and claim jones was shot, roy is washed up and that he should have retired a while ago.
     
  7. slapsSOgood

    slapsSOgood Active Member Full Member

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    :good made me so irksome I decided to register (read: stop lurking) and point it out, but you beat me to it.
     
  8. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post.

    I think Calzaghe will win but i don't know how well. Jones has looked better lately but it has been against weak opposistion. Hanshaw and that Prince guy are no Calzaghe and Tito was fighting well past his peak and well over his optimum weight. It could be quite conceivable that Joe beat's him quite handily.

    However Jones, style wise, is a nightmare for Joe. His quick counter's could give Joe fit's and i could see Joe getting dropped a couple of times, not necessarily because he's hurt but more just getting hit when coming in of balance like he did agasint Hopkins.

    As to whether Joe can penetrate the turtle shell well i dont know how effective he will be but Joe throws so many punchers that maybe some will land but more importantly if none land cleanly but Jones work rate is not high enough Joe may just get the nod from the judges just on work rate alone.

    I think ultimately the fight will go to a decision and the winner will be what the judges prefer; Joes work rate or Jones' fewer but cleaner punches. If Joe get's knocked down, whether hurt or not this will obviously play an important part in deciding who the winner is if it goes to the judges. It's why i feel Joe has to go back to coming in and setting up his flurries behind the jab and not that left, wide hook that he has been doing lately that leaves him open for a straight right.