Yeah, he's more accomplished. If you look at absolutely every piece of criteria, then Joe is out there on his own. But personally, I think it's more than reasonable to rate guys based upon their ability. It wouldn't matter to me if Joe was 70-0. He wasn't a better fighter than Roy was at his peak. He didn't have more ability and he doesn't have any singular win better than Roy's win over Toney. He never fought any better SMW's than Toney. He simply just fought more fights at the weight. Whilst Roy was clearing out the LHW division, Joe made more defences of his title. That's the only difference. Roy easily beat guys like Malinga and Lucas, and Joe just amassed more of those level of fighters on his resume. He never proved that he was a better fighter than Roy, he just simply stayed in the division for considerably longer. That's it. For those same reasons, I personally wouldn't say that Joe was a better SMW than Andre Ward either. I rate Ward on par with Joe, despite Joe having more title defences etc. Many people also rate on a H2H basis. Whenever these threads appear, there's not many people who rate Sven Ottke in the top 2 positions along with Joe. Most people on here wouldn't put Ottke in their top 5.