Can Cotto "survive" against Manny?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BlueApollo, Nov 6, 2009.


  1. Subzero

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    Hatton fans please, you are never going to get the rest of the world to see Hatton as an A-level fighter, because he never was. He has a lot of heart and determination and a HUGE following so was easily promotable, but not world-class. Just remember, Hatton was put to sleep by Pac, which was precluded by his official ruination by Mayweather Jr. He was never a good challenge for either Pac or Mayweather, but they all made plenty of money together.
     
  2. Bazooka

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    I have started to think thats what this fight will boil down to, I think Manny will attempt to pull a hatton here, but when he gets back will downshift into boxing mode, I see a scratch and sniff kind of match, I think Manny will look confused mid way through the fight...

    I think Cotto stops him late though, if Freddy doesnt throw in the towel first.
     
  3. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know where you stand on this one Bazooka. Punch resistance has not been a problem for Manny recently, but who knows, it could turn out to be a huge problem against a live opponent at 147. I agree that there are questions Manny needs to answer also. But you tend to make it sound like Manny is going to go fetal after the first body shot Cotto manages to get in. That scenario is less likely than Cotto getting rocked and having to hang on.

    It doesn't matter that Manny couldn't drop Oscar. Hopkins only dropped Oscar with a body shot from hell. The man had a great chin, and the chin is the last thing to go.

    I've gotten in trouble on this board for saying that Diaz isn't very good, the man either has a cult following on ESB, or a bunch of closet *******s like to stick up for him. What he does have is a whole lot of heart, and he used every ounce of it for his "one shining moment" opportunity. Also Manny's only fight at 135. Who cares that it took nine rounds?

    Hatton was Hatton. Enough has been said about that already.

    I'm not saying that Cotto can't hurt Manny. As for Cotto's incredibly gutsy attempt to hang around with Margo, we're just talking apples and oranges. Margo walks around probably thirty pounds heavier than Manny, but he punches with about half the speed and accuracy.

    You're saying that if Manny has Cotto as hurt as Margo did, that he will be able to slide away on the ropes for eleven rounds? It's possible I guess, but it's asking a hell of a lot.
     
  4. Bazooka

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    I am not saying that if Manny has Cotto hurt this or that, What I am saying is No matter weather you agree with me or not, Manny knows that he has not been hit back by one of these big guys, and in sparring you cant call Castillo a true welter weight to properly prepair Manny for Cotto he is a shot fat light weight.

    Porter, 10-0 with 8 Kayos but against very limited comp. Manny knows Mentally that he hasnt been challenged, a fighter does know this, and I am sure that is going to have a role in this some where, doesnt mean he auto maticly losses.
    The way I see it this fight is going to come down to a good big man beating a good little man....
    Manny is alot more precise than Margarito, but again the weight difference is a factor and though Margarito is slower he is still an all pressure high volume puncher who gets stronger as the fight moves along, Manny losses gas as the fight goes deeper and with a body banger like Cotto I dont know how he is going to pull this one off.

    I just dont see it.
     
  5. Vitor Belfort

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    then you'll be shocked again when pac beat your boy. It's ok not many people believe in pac when he goes up in weight class but he finds a way to make us a believer. barrera-hatton- oscar all thought they'll be too big for manny. They were all wrong.
     
  6. Caper

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    I'm still on the fence regarding the key determining factors for this fight. Will Manny hurt Cotto enough to either stop him early or at least sway Cotto to be on his toes. Or will Cotto's patience and well timed jabs cause Manny to become reckless and vulnerble enough for Cotto to lay down some heavy damage. Manny is phenominal when fighting over anxoius and overly aggressive opposition, though he's not the same when facing a thinking man....he's in for a tough one.
     
  7. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's kind of funny, we have the guy that is always "too slow" to beat anybody decent facing the guy who is always "too small". And yet here they are in the most anticipated fight of the year.

    The trouble with Manny these days isn't even so much his speed. He just doesn't miss very many punches anymore. And that head movement makes him a ***** to counter also. As quick as Shane's hands still were, Cotto was pretty comfortable throwing counters because he always knew exactly where Shane's head was going to be.
     
  8. Vitor Belfort

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    yea he has improved a lot with his head movement and footwork. A lot of people want to dismiss the delahoya fight but his footwork and head movement was superb in that fight.
     
  9. Sinew

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    The style match up is nice .
     
  10. Bazooka

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    its not dismissing the fight its seeing the truth, Oscar was weight drained if you dispute that you just do not know how this sport works period and nobody can help you.

    of course he is going to look sharp in that fight, he had a dead man in front of him, I mean for **** sakes even Ricky Hatton or David Diaz would have beat Oscars ass that night...

    we will see his improvements come the 14th and to many it will come as a shocker when Cotto exploits them, but I already know the excuse the storms left manny distracted... I already know whats comming....
     
  11. Knives7

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    I agree with that. And for the rest of what you said I'll just laugh. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  12. CharlieGarbs

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    I agree, this is a fantastic style match up. Cannot wait till fight night. :D
     
  13. Primenal

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    Some of you are crazy. Have you seen Pac lately?! I hear all this stuff about "Pac hasn't faced a true WW" blah blah.
    Can any of you honestly say...If given a choice of who you'd want to be, and what you'd look like...You'd pick Cotto? Pac is built like a small tank anymore, has blinding speed, awesome movement, and hasn't ate any punches his last 3 fights. He also has a durable chin (even though untested at WW).
    Cotto is NOT that much bigger than pac currently! Yeah, Cotto is a naturally bigger man because he doesn't train outside of camp, and gets fat. So does Ricky Fatton...
    Pac trains all year round and when he says he weighs around 150...You better believe it's like 150, 6% body fat. He has real muscle, real strength, flexibility, speed, etc. Cotto would weigh 150 as well if the man wouldn't get fat!
    I'm not sayin 100% Pac wins. I say it's 55/45 in Pac's favor, but I'm just trying to make a point here. Physichally who is the better built guy? Who's the guy in better shape? Who's faster? So on, and so on.
     
  14. pngo

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    Yeah, but I still don't know how manny will react to Cotto's best punches that WILL land. If he can take them(which I think he will) then he'll win by UD.
     
  15. Fan88

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    Pacquaio is a glorified brawler. He may be a very fast southpaw brawler that has perfected a right hook and has added some defensive skills but, at heart he is a brawler. He is not a master tactician like JMM nor is he a defensive genius. His style will lead him to slug it out with Cotto and that's where he stands no chance at all.



    Cotto has been in there with a disguised middleweight with loaded gloves and an iron chin, a guy who beat DLH twice, and an African with a shell defense who looked like he could run 20 miles a day. He held his own against all of them. He will hold his own against Pacquiao and he will stop Pacquaio. Expect Cotto's highly educated left hand upstairs and to the body to be huge in the fight. He will use the jab to neutralize Pac, like he did with Mosely, who is far stronger than Pac.