Can Derek Chisora clear the 1970s

I think Del Boy loses to Frazier, Foreman and Ali but has some good moments in all 3 fights. He's shorter than two of the three but weighed 20-35 pounds heavier than all of them, if you don't count old Foreman who was 6'4 and 250-260. But I think he beats fighters like Bugner, Quarry and loses close fights to fighters like Norton. If you want to include Larry Holmes into the mix, Chisora loses a fight that looks like the Klitschko fight, could tag Holmes and hurt him. But remember, Butterbean couldn't knock out 50 year old Holmes so don't expect someone 80 pounds lighter to do so.

 

Chisora Vs
Ali wins KO (13-15)
Frazier wins KO (7-10)
Foreman win's ko (5-7)
Norton wins un dec(15)

 

I think Chisora gives any heavy from that time that chose to slug it out big problems and he might well stop them. Yeah that includes "cowpoke" Foreman. Chisora is a ****ing tank. The guys that would give him problems are the slippery guys like Young and Ali. Derek's footwork has never been exactly Willie Pep.

 

I think big Joe boxes Derek's ears off. He had a granite chin and a savvy boxing brain. He's not letting Del fight that in close poor man's Smokin' Joe type fight. Bugner would be proto Wlad here and tie Del up in close whilst winning every second he was on the outside. A messy probably dull fight that Bugner comfortably wins.

 

Chisora has nothing for Foreman. One uppercut from Foreman and the fight is over. Chisora has lost most of the big fights he has been in.

This thread is another attempt to exaggerate Usyk's resume. Chisora loses to any elite 70's heavyweight including Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Frazier, Lyle, Young, even Shavers and Bugner.

 

I forgot about Bugner. Yeah he might do ok too.

 

Foreman has nothing for Chisora. One overhand from Chisora and the fight is over. Foreman nearly got caved in by Ron Lyle.

Your reply is another attempt to disparage Usyk's resume. Chisora gives hell to any 70's heavyweight including Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Frazier, Lyle, Young, even Shavers and Bugner.

 

Chisora has lost every big fight he has been in. Lyle was a huge puncher and far quicker than an overweight fighter like Chisora.

Foreman is arguably the biggest two handed hitter in history. The guy who was ko'd by David Haye and knocked down by Joe Parker isn't beating Foreman. And while Chisora is a decent hitter, he isn't some modern day Shavers.

One uppercut from Foreman and Chisora isn't getting up. Lyle is quicker than Chisora and a harder puncher too. And even Lyle got outslugged.

Ali would win every round vs Chisora. So would Holmes. Foreman would stop him in 4 and Frazier stops him late.

I am not disparaging Usyk's resume. Its Usyk fans that are grossly exagerating his resume and arguing that Breidis and Chisora could beat Foreman.

Its amazing to be that a borderline journeymen who has lost virtually every big fight he has ever been in is being made out to be some kind of monster in order to make a case for Usyk being the best ever. Lol.

 

Entirely your opinion. I can think of many people who were arguably the biggest two handed hitters in history other than Foreman. This is pure mythology.

 

Its not just my opinion. It is the opinion of people who fought and sparred him. It is the opinion of Holyfield. It is the opinion of many boxing experts who have stated they have never seen a fighter hit the bag as hard as Foreman.

Who are the bigger hitters than Foreman? Maybe Wlad or Lewis but the difference is minor at best.

Who are these many people?

Foreman had every punch in the book. A heavy jab, devastating right uppercut, devastating left uppercut (see Cooney), powerful left hook, deadly right hand.

This isn't mythology. Foreman is a 10/10 puncher. No one hits significantly harder than him. Perhaps some fighters like Wlad or Lewis have equal or slightly more power (even that is debatable). But the idea that the guy wasn't a monstrous puncher is mythology.

 

There are fighters with a higher KO%. And that is even taking into account Foreman had a heavily managed comeback career.

 

Chisora got slept by Haye and Whyte lol

He got floored numerous times by pillow fists Parker.

Chisora has lost 25% of his fights. Chisora is a journeyman. He’s not great in any single category (except possibly longevity in that he’s as mediocre now as he was 10 years ago). He doesn’t dominate any eras.

 

Sure. Vitali had a higher ko% but he has more fluff on it than Foreman does.

Yes, Foreman was carefully managed in his second career. It doesn't change that everyone he fought attested to how great his power was. It doesn't change the fact that he was the first one to stop both Frazier and Moorer.

Higher ko % doesn't mean bigger hitter. Vitali isn't a bigger hitter than Lewis despite having a higher ko%.

 

Maybe you want to check that again. Granted the first 15 or so on both resumes are mattress city, but after that Vitali's opposition generally picks up a lot, whereas Foreman is still fighting quite a few guys with losing records even deep into his career.

I agree with you that the KO% doesn't mean that much. Especially when a resume is full of soft fights and little midgets ... like Foreman's was.

And Foreman isn't a bigger hitter than somebody like Chisora despite having a higher KO %