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Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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SJS19 said: ↑

Thankyou sir, appreciate it :good

Edit : Flashy, thanks pal!
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It's getting rare to have other post then ...... is **** , .......... overrated ,...........glassjaw ,

So when i see someone work hard on analysis like you do i will read it completly :good

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Do you think that Froch is still in his prime ?

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If Magee can outbox Bute and rattle him with feather fists,you have to say Froch is more than capable,oh i forgot Bute wasn't trying against Magee. :rofl
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I remember the night Magee outboxed Bute.

I remember because that night I had a LSD overdose.

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Little Pea said: ↑

I remember the night Magee outboxed Bute.

I remember because that night I had a LSD overdose.
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Is this before or after you became a stand up comic? :huh

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PityTheFool said: ↑

Take Drozzy's advice.You'll struggle to be taken seriously with your username alone,but the blind fanboy devotion will disqualify you from balanced discussion.Don't worry about your English,the fact you can type and read more than one dialect means you've got more talent in that area than me.But if you keep up the teenybopper-style undying love,then you will go straight into the "blind idiot" group.
There really is no need.:nono
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Thanks for your comment !

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After the win by TKO of Bute against Froch, Andre Ward said :

- " Bute needs to fight Dirrell "

After the win by TKO of Bute against Dirrell, Andre Ward said :

- " Bute needs to fight Kessler "

After the win by TKO of Bute against Kessler, Andre Ward said :

- " Bute needs to fight Jean Pascal (175 pounds) "

After the win by TKO of Bute against Pascal, Andre Ward said :

- " Bute needs to fight GSP "

After the win by submission of Bute against GSP, Andre Ward said :

- " Sorry, I am too old to fight now ! "

butemaniac, Mar 14, 2012

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Little Pea said: ↑

I remember the night Magee outboxed Bute.

I remember because that night I had a LSD overdose.
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Two Shakes will call you delusional if you don't give 3 of the 4 first rounds to Magee.

Well, let's save some time: you're delusional!

laffie, Mar 14, 2012

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SJS19 said: ↑

My take :

First my thoughts on Froch as this point

Nuts and Bolts :

Boxer puncher who shows more discipline now than ever.
Good jab, single and double which offers him a range finder, and a defensive tool. Under-rated wepone when he goes to the body.
Good right hand, capable of shooting it straight and looping it mid flight, this increases it's chance of landing despite a telegraphed look.
Cast Iron chin
Very good Stamina (Age considered)
Uppercuts with both hands, which are sometimes thrown from too far out.
Brilliant trainer and tactician in his corner.

Froch peaked in the Super Six tournament, he had retained his physical tools into his mid to late thirties, and made a mental adjustment to be more of a pugilist than a face first brawler. Factoring in Carl's length, his under-rated jab, brilliant corner, and chin this suited him well and we saw the results.

Froch had always felt he was in the shadow of Joe Calzaghe, the Super Six tournament would be his arena, his stage to prove that he was better than Joe, that he (Froch) had faced the best competition of his era and beat them.

I think Froch put everything he had into that tournament, mentally and physically. The fact is that he's 35 years old and closer to the end of his career than the biggining. The game plan below is suited to the Froch from the Super Six tournament, which may turn out to be different from the man that we see in May.

Nuts and bolts about Bute :

Southpaw
Nice jab, which he is capable of doubling and trippling up on.
Very good body puncher
Improved defense
Sharp and precise puncher
Good punching fluidity
Under-rated corner man, who tells it like it is.

Bute is on the right side of a rising tide right now, he appears more polished everytime he fights (Though opposition is questionable and not on par with Froch's recent fights) and shows more defensive awareness now than he did previously. (Case and point the first Andrade fight) Bute shows good power, and an ability to grind his man down by going to the body. Lateral movement and punching fluidity are key points when it comes to analysing Bute.

His chin may be suspect.
There are questions over his opposition
The fight is away from home
He will be eager to make a statement.

How I would advise Froch to fight :

The crowd in this fight, may be as much of a problem early on for Froch, as they are for Bute. For the first two rounds, I would have Froch fight conservative, pump his jab, doubling up whilst walking forward. Stay behind that jab, and do not put your chin in range of Bute early. It's a new enviroment for the Canadian, don't allow him to land early and gain confidence. Stay composed, and shoot the right hand as warning when Bute gets too close. When shooting the right hand, take half a step to your right, (Back foot, to the right) in order to keep the angle straight, rather than unconventional and suited to a southpaw.

When Bute does get close, establish lead foot position. At a speed dis-advantage as well as from a technical stand point, tactical superiority is vital for Froch.

Do not throw those long looping upper-cuts in the first few rounds, you will leave yourself exposed to either a right hook over the top, or a straight left down the shoot.

There must be a pretence of defence for Froch, if he's jabbing he must pivot to the side and keep his right hand up, Bute is capable of precise fast punching, and it's not good to take too many. Use the jab as a defensive tool, use it to get Bute to concede ground, then occupy that space, in other words establish to the judges that you are in control of the ring.

4th round onwards there must be body work. Froch keeps his left hand low, I'd spend the entire training camp trying to drum that out of him here, especially when he goes to the body. Jab to the pit of the stomach, and bring your left hand back covering your chin, likewise when shooting a straight right to the body. A right hand to the chest of Bute would be a good idea too, shock him; take his breath for a moment, make him uncomftorble in strange surroundings. In terms of Bute's body work, Froch should shoot his straight punches with his elbows tucked in, otherwise he is too exposed. If Bute gets too close, grab him. The referee will break you and restore your advantage with distance.

Froch is in Nottingham, so close rounds are not going to be a bad thing for him, do not go gung ho in the last thirty seconds, it's an un-needed risk.

Press the action later. Froch is an offensive fighter, it's his bread and butter, educated preassure is key, show the judges you are the aggressor, you want to take the title from the Champion, this is your house, you are king here. feint to the body and come upstairs to the head, scoring shots whilst remaining responsible with your own foot movements and head movements.

The crowd don't matter, you're in a do or die situation. Follow the game plan, trust your initiative and don't go getting caught when you don't need too just to impress spectators. Discipline, tactical knowlege and range is where Froch could win this fight.

(Just an estimate, I wouldn't bank on the above)
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You really need to go and learn the sport pal! You clearly know nothing about the technical intracacies of the game.:bart
Now I read a post today which went along the lines of "Bute kicks Froch's ass.End thread." Now that's the kind of post you can take something from,not this trolling,amateur nonsense.
Not a bad try,but your lack of knowledge is glaringly obvious.:yep

PityTheFool, Mar 14, 2012

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You really need to go and learn the sport pal! You clearly know nothing about the technical intracacies of the game.:bart
Now I read a post today which went along the lines of "Bute kicks Froch's ass.End thread." Now that's the kind of post you can take something from,not this trolling,amateur nonsense.
Not a bad try,but your lack of knowledge is glaringly obvious.:yep
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You saw through me that easily?

Guess I'd better turn the laptop off and join a Boxing gym for the first time:-( I wonder if they really have those rubber ball thingys attatched to the wall, they look easy.

P.S. This is the Internet, so if you think you're bad, let's go :twisted:

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Two Shakes said: ↑

Magee won the first four rounds,and rattled Bute at the end of the third.Go check youtube for a copy of the fight,you obviously didn't see it.:good
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Just stop scoring boxing. You don't have it at all.

Bute won 3 out of the 4 first rounds, I could deal with a tie after 4. I hope the judges will be more competent than you on May the 26th.

laffie, Mar 14, 2012

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Master Lewis said: ↑

You must be the kind of guy who tought ''Froch would walk through Ward'' and you think the same about Froch Bute.....
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No,what i actually said prior to the Ward fight is.........

I have Ward as the betting favourite,better boxer,abilty to nullify his opponents advantages,huge self belief,and almost certain home cooking.
Thing is,Froch has made a career out of proving people wrong,and doing what he's not supposed to do.All his fights are entertaining,and thats his problem,he doesn't always listen to McCracken,and makes fights harder than they need to be.He may be limited,he may eat too many punches,but he keeps on winning against the odds.
Froch will find a way. :good
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SJS19 said: ↑

You saw through me that easily?

Guess I'd better turn the laptop off and join a Boxing gym for the first time:-( I wonder if they really have those rubber ball thingys attatched to the wall, they look easy.

P.S. This is the Internet, so if you think your bad, let's go :twisted:
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No no mate.No need for all that ****.All you have to do is go on YT,watch Hagler-Hearns (all at once mind) and you instantly gain the necessary knowledge required to discuss the finer points of the game.:deal

In all honesty,it was a fabulous post mate.Wonderfully thought-out and very insightful.Thouroughly enjoyed reading it as I'm sure many others will.
You just got lucky...:good

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No no mate.No need for all that ****.All you have to do is go on YT,watch Hagler-Hearns (all at once mind) and you instantly gain the necessary knowledge required to discuss the finer points of the game.:deal

In all honesty,it was a fabulous post mate.Wonderfully thought-out and very insightful.Thouroughly enjoyed reading it as I'm sure many others will.
You just got lucky...:good
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Lucky?! The only man who rivals me for tactical sight here is Koeman.
I think I have only watchedd Hagler vs Hearns once actually :huh

Thankyou pal, truthfully it was copied and pasted I wrote that out for your thread on how Froch could beat Bute about a month back! I've been trolling a little here recently because nobody's asked a serious question, so I'm making up for it now. Wrote out the George Foreman comeback story earlier, took 10 minutes :bart

I trust you've been declared fit and healthy?

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PityTheFool said: ↑

You really need to go and learn the sport pal! You clearly know nothing about the technical intracacies of the game.:bart
Now I read a post today which went along the lines of "Bute kicks Froch's ass.End thread." Now that's the kind of post you can take something from,not this trolling,amateur nonsense.
Not a bad try,but your lack of knowledge is glaringly obvious.:yep
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flashy k.o, Mar 14, 2012

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SJS19 said: ↑

Lucky?! The only man who rivals me for tactical sight here is Koeman.
I think I have only watchedd Hagler vs Hearns once actually :huh

Thankyou pal, truthfully it was copied and pasted I wrote that out for your thread on how Froch could beat Bute about a month back! I've been trolling a little here recently because nobody's asked a serious question, so I'm making up for it now. Wrote out the George Foreman comeback story earlier, took 10 minutes :bart

I trust you've been declared fit and healthy?
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More or less thanks.Probably always need to return as an outpatient for scans n **** but all good today mate.:good

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this man gave a good-rare answer !
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Yeah Pity :tong

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