Can Haye really beat a Klitschko?

He have a small chance to beat one of them, but the chances he will ever fight any of them are even smaller!

 

I don't think that the Klits are unbeatable at all. Actually they're my least favorite of champions in any weight division. The fact is, on the level of many other Afro American fighters(i.e.,e.g., Chris Byrd), Haye is grossly lacking in handspeed, consistant counterpunching ability, skillful and effective use of the ropes as well as real fundamental defense which will keeps him in punching position without exposing himself. Either Klit would expose this guy less than halfway throught the fight. And to say Haye is just a blown up cruiser weight is way too kind. Put Adamek in front of this guy for a tune up before Adamek takes on Klit! And you'll see Haye Knocked the **** Out!!!!!

 

Haye isn't Afro-American

 

I know this. He's a Brit and that's exactly my point. Do you think Haye would have that cocky ass attitude if he'd been sparring in Detroit, Philly or NYC growing up? Hell no! He'd have a real grasp on reality. But the global fight game that Haye has learned is doesn't have any real potency in an US boxing environment. It's merely a derivitive of the sweet science. Haye is not the real deal. No!

 

I think what's frustrating to a lot of Afro Americans is you see guys like Clottey and David Haye being mistaken as Black fighters. Yes their skin is black but don't confuse what a Ghanian or European fighter does stylistically compared to the Sweet Science which comes from Urban American communities. Shaolin Temples (boxing gyms) were all over Black communities for nearly a century. And what was developed were a number of fighters and fight styles that have dominted the sport on an academic and/or parochial ever since the turn of the century into the 1900's. it's really disappointing to look at some of these foreign fighters being passed off as part of that tradition when clearly guys like Haye and Clottey don't posess the tools. I'm not hatin on Euro and foreign fighters but absolutely no quintessential Black fighters have ever come out of these foreign countries to change the sport or the way it's approached. Not once!

 

Yes.
He is top level fighter, with top level speed an power. Now he has a chin issue, an you can see him coddle it while he fights at heavy, he is not the chance taker he pertends he is. Now with right game plan, to me, a year more at heavyweight, maybe two, he will have the confidence he needs to stand toe to toe with the brothers, then I see a small chance of an upset. Right now, with how he fought valueve, i just don't see him with more then a punchers chance now, he boxed poorly against valueve, ruiz did a better job. But the stoppage over ruiz was nice, we might not here from john again

 

Haye has some of the attributes needed to beat Wlad, but without the chin of a Brewster or Peter, and without the punch output that will keep the pressure up. Also he is a counter puncher. Just because he is fast and with world class power doesn't mean he will take the fight to Wlad like Mike Tyson. On top of this, there is a huge difference in experience. Wlad has had about 30 more fights than Haye, and has fought at and above the level Haye has for 10 years now. Considering he is apparently still physically prime it will be a huge factor going into the fight

As for Vitali... there isn't really a blueprint to beat him, so hard to say. David Haye is not Lennox Lewis. If the blueprint to beat Vitali is 'be Lennox Lewis for the night', then I can't see what he is going to do. I think he is more likely to catch Vitali with a big punch, but Vitali's chin is absolutely top notch and he recovers fast. Haye is a good finisher, but a bit sloppy. Realistically Haye could hurt Vitali but lose the same round when Vitali retaliates. In summary, I think people who bang on about Haye's speed and power should look at the bigger picture. It didn't do much for Herbie Hide did it?

 

John was done anyway. Remember he got his ass whooped by Roy Jones at HW. Ruiz was never anything more than a competent fighter at best in a very non-competitive division. Guys like Ruiz don't even exist in the history of the American HW division. This guy isn't as important a HW as anybody top 25 in the division from 1960 - 1980. He's what we have for a HW product based on a real lack of interest in the fight game from the most capable of American atheletes.

 

He can take them both. Vitali is there for the taking, he has looked old robotic and stiff in his last couple of fights.It would be easy for Haye.

Wlad would be even easier.

 

Hayes footwork is awful and his timing isn't much better. He never creates openings for himself and going backwards, he's not a good fighter. He leaves himself open constantly and has real problems staying in the middle of the ring with a competent boxer. I don't mean to sound so biased but I really don't see what makes this guy special. He's kinda like Hatton to me. I never got it! Never! it just goes to show you that every great American HW is in another sport. But this dude ain't no badass boxer. I really wonder if he could make it through a South Central L.A. neighborhood pro/am tournament or one in Miami maybe? With fair and accurate judges, I bet he wouldn't win?

 

atsch

Don't you think the rest of the world plays other sports aswell? There isn't a single country in the world where boxing is the number 1 sport, so you could say that about any country

 

I also disagree with you on Vitali being dethroned by Haye? I guarantee you my man, David Haye could not stand in the middle of the ring with Vitali for a solid 40 seconds without getting his world rocked. Haye posses nothing close to the pure boxing skill of a Klit. I don't even think Haye is at the Kotelnick Level as a pure boxer regardless of weight division. The Klits have a good historical understanding of the HW fight game on a global level and them now living in L.A. gives them more of a historical foundation to understand the Sweet Science. You say Vitali is old and slow but I see a smarter boxer each year. Or, maybe the compettion is getting worse. You tell me?

 

Yes, he can.

But I think he would also be the clear underdog against either.

I think Vitali is the better champion than his younger brother, but he fights old and Haye should be able to utilise superior hand & foot speed to win on points. Haye has proved he's a cerebral fighter and can follow a gameplan. Box & move and he can get the nod. Although I'd still favour Vitali to stop him comfortably inside the distance. With Haye having his moments of success, enough to warrant a rematch which Haye wins...

Likelihood of a Haye win vs. Vitali 1st time around: 40-45%

Wlad is more mobile than Vitali, and probably the superior athlete, but he still can't match Haye's speed in all departments and athleticsm. I think Haye should adopt a similar box and move strategy. Although I'd like to see him staying closer for longer to land a few combinations rather then the single shots I would expect him use against the meaner, more concussive punching, Vitali.

Haye is going to have a nightmare getting past Wlad's jab and he might be prone to taking more risks, given that Wlad has a borderline suspect chin. This could be a very significant and dangerous development, if Haye's gameplan is to stop Wlad then he could be in for a very long and frustrating night being relentlessly pummelled on the outside. Haye has the power needed to stop Wlad. But the implementation of that kind of aggressive strategy are very risky. A better strategy is DAZZLING SPEED.

Chances of Haye beating Wlad: 35-40%

 

No that's absolutely wrong. No Joe Fraziers, Ali's, Sugar Ray Robinsons, Listons, Pattersons ever came from those countries. Not to mention Hagler, Hearns and Leonard. ODLH, Mosely, Mayweather. They come from the U.S. All roads in boxing come from and lead to these guys. How many are foreigners? These guys are the best at the fundamentals that trainers teach. The best. Go see a trainer and ask him.

 

Vitali is by far the most intelligent fighter of the 2. And his approach to boxing is much closer to traditional American HW styles which are proven to be the most potent and effective styles that we know of. Ever see Ali beaten by a Euro or foreigner. One of the best modern examples of the potency of basic American fight styles is the Dirrell vs Abraham fight. Andre just boxed lil arthur and kept him at bay with the most fundamental of jabs. I truly believe Arthur was on the verge of knocking Andre's cissy ass out. But ask yourself, "what allowed Andre to whoop this guys ass for the 1st 9 rounds? Gameplan" Yes! Fundamentals and executing basic Ring Generalship? Yes! But most importantly Andre stayed alive because he understands more defense than just covering up or running. He's got a consistent offensive answer. The jab! It's incorporated with balance and ambedexterity in both hands that Andre developed as an amateur being in the right boxing environment. This is the most difficult task for any fighter at any level. Environment is key. Developing good habits out of the gate! This is something that is completely missing in David Hayes game.