Can I Reasonably Omit Marciano& Frazier From My Ten ?

I'd swap Dempsey for Frazier

 

What is Liston doing on that list?
Cleveland Williams, Zora Folley and Patterson the Cruiserweight x 2 makes Liston Top 10?!
Maybe in terms of ability, but not Greatness.

 

I read somewhere that 27-0 Cleveland Williams was decked twice by 7-3 Jones and the bout was cut in rounds during the fight so as to prevent a late stoppage loss further ruining the prospects record than a points loss might. Floored twice in a preliminary bout on a major fight card certainly demolished Williams status as the next big thing in Boxing..and not for the last time. The poor youngster was obviously not ready for that showcase ...even after 27 fights.

 

Well, Dempsey is McVey's token white boy. As they say, there's always one. Ironically he'll blast accomplished white heavies who he has a documented antipathy towards, but never start a thread about Dempsey ducking Wills, or fighting African American opponents in general.

He thinks Marciano wasn't a big puncher, among other things...

 

What 40 year old did Rocky fight?

Rocky fought Walcott right when Walcott had his most impressive win.

Rocky fought Moore right when Moore was the ring sensation that recently beat a middleweight champion, two Light heavy champions and the #1 and #2 heavyweight contenders in back to back fights!!

 

Moore may very well have been lying.

But it doesn't matter because likely his legs were gone.

Moore had a tremendously long and tough career behind his back, suffered KO losses before. Knocked down so often.
He just couldn't have been anywhere near prime.

 

Walcott was clearly better after his brief hiatus in 1940. Despite being at an advanced age. Imo

 

I wouldn't rank Sonny that highly now, either. I think there's a great argument for him being behind Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Lennox, Holyfield, and Wlad, and those are 7 names that only came on after Sonny was champ.

I think Sonny slides in the 11-20 range better. As mentioned in other posts on this thread, though, there are a number more of Heavyweights qualified for a top 10 slot than there are top 10 slots available. So, it's not the craziest thing to see Liston on a top 10 list...just not over a guy like Frazier IMO.