Can I Reasonably Omit Marciano& Frazier From My Ten ?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Cut the lies, here's what you said:

    " I question his ONE PUNCH POWER based on the one punch kos he achieved that seems entirely reasonable to me -McVey "

    "This thread is about ***essing Marciano as a dynamite one punch ko artist,which I contend he was not. - McVey "

    Link below. Checkmate again.

    [url]http://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/marciano-vs-matthews.532249/page-4#post-16979755[/url]

    Can you show me one heavyweight who KO'd guys cold as often as Marciano did? Louis, Layne, Walcott, Vingo...there could be more.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yup and I stand by every word of it! Thanks for reposting it. Marciano ko'd men after several rounds of unceasing bombardment, he was always in such great condition that he could sustain such attacks throughout a fight ,he was basically a grinder.He wore Layne down by several rounds of body punishment,Layne was soft in the belly. Louis was an old man who never had the best of chins.Mathews was a light heavy, Vingo took a severe beating before he folded which just emphasises my point.Walcott had gradually been worn down until he was retreating to the ropes to rest, his legs were going and he was 37 years old.Again he never had the best of chins. A 40 years old Moore went 9 rds with Marciano before collapsing and he had been kod several times. C*ckell was kod by162lbs Turpin before he went 9 rds with Marciano, floored 5 times by Jimmy Slade before going out, yet he went 9 rds with Marciano? I stated my position and I'm very happy to reiterate it!Thanks for the opportunity!
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Yup and I stand by every word of it! Thanks for reposting it. Marciano ko'd men after several rounds of unceasing bombardment, he was always in such great condition that he could sustain such attacks throughout a fight ,he was basically a grinder.He wore Layne down by several rounds of body punishment,Layne was soft in the belly. Louis was an old man who never had the best of chins.Mathews was a light heavy, Vingo took a severe beating before he folded which just emphasises my point.Walcott had gradually been worn down until he was retreating to the ropes to rest ,his legs were going and he was 37 years old.Again he never had the best of chins. A 40 years old Moore went 9 rds with Marciano before collapsing and he had been ko'd several times. C*ckell was kod by162lbs Turpin before he went 9 rds with Marciano, floored 5 times by Jimmy Slade before going out, yet he went 9 rds with Marciano? I stated my position and I'm very happy to reiterate it! Now is there any chance of you addressing the thread ,or are you just going to go on making a c*nt of yourself?
     
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  4. mostobviousalt

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    Louis had already been stunned by Conn before, he had no great chin.

    Turpin was more dominant against cockell than Marciano.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The age Moore was at when he fought Rocky Marciano was actually the same age Archie was when he won all the biggest fights of his career!! Archie had just beaten Harold Johnson, Bob Baker, Bobo Olson. each by knockout! Joey Maxim and Nino Valdes were also defeated during this run presumably by this old man with bandy legs and a walking stick...

    What better wins did Archie ever record??? No wonder he is Ring Magazine #4 best puncher of all time.

    As for Archies mother saying he was older than he said he was, it is well-known Moore was not even raised by his own mother. He was given away to another relative so this claim (if it means anything) is just as likely to be something his biological mother said for attention.
     
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  6. janitor

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    When you combine LaStarza's #1 ranking, with the fact that he had given Marciano a close fight previously, it seems inescapable that Marciano would have drawn criticism had he failed to defend against him.
     
  7. mcvey

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    You put what spin you want on it , as far as I'm concerned NO BOXER is prime at 38/40years old I don't give a good f*ck who he is! I never said he had bandy legs or a walking stick so stop with the nonsense.We have Moore's own taped opinion of his ability when he faced Marciano,I'll take that over your agenda driven one.
     
  8. mcvey

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    My contention is Lastarza was a poor challenger in a poor era, his resume is very thin, he missed so many top heavyweights, it's a standing joke.
     
  9. choklab

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    Quite right. Rocky surely would have been accused of ducking Lastarza.

    Imagine the outcry if Rocky didn't fight Moore? Archie was outstanding in 1954-55 period beating two light heavyweight champions, current middleweight champion and the #1 and #2 heavyweight contenders!
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

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    Agree with all of this.
     
  11. mcvey

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    at the time
    Have I ever suggested Marciano should not have fought Moore?
    It doesn't in anyway alter his age at the time does it?
     
  12. mcvey

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    Thanks KK.
     
  13. mcvey

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    If Anthony Joshua ko'd both Kovalev and Stevenson in consecutive fights what would that add to his legacy?
     
  14. choklab

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    Providing Kovalev and Stevenson knocked out Joshuas #2 contender and each earned "most logical" heavyweight contender status to Joshuas title (and he then beat them) IMO it would immeasurably improve Anthony Joshuas current status and legacy. Especially since Anthony himself has yet to beat a serious elite heavyweight contender.

    Archie Moore was the outstanding heavyweight contender in his own right and so would Stevenson and Kovalev be if they beat elite heavyweights.
     
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  15. janitor

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    A better analogy would be beating a former ligth heavyweigth who had tangible acomplishments at heavyweight.

    Lets say Roy Jones or James Toney for the sake of argument.