Can I see your MW list? Top 10, 15, 20, whatever?

Is Velazco your big reveal then?

I don’t know how I could have failed to mention him, before now...

...Oh yeah - He was being ‘hidden’ from the debate, such was the weight of influence his record of achievements would bring to bear, in your case for Abraham!!

 

Velazco doesn't exactly have the," wow factor ,"does it?lol

 

Not really, no - But, the funny thing is, I vaguely remember him. Although, I didn’t recall him having been a WBO Champ.

Turns out, he was given the belt by default on a technicality and lost it to Sturm, next fight. I guess “former WBO champion” is, strictly speaking, correct and reads better.

 

Whichever way you look at it, he was no world-beater and hardly a ledger-building scalp.

 

Eubank
McAvoy
Harvey
Golovkin
Hopkins
Jones Jnr
Nunn
Hearns
Rodriguez
Griffith
Benvenuti
Humez
Dauthille
Turpin
Basora
Ketchel
Papke
Greb
Walker
Flowers
Williams
Burley
Steele
Valdes
Briscoe
Thil
Cerdan
Dundee
Abrams
Marshall
Yarosz
Apostoli
Overlin
Zale
Moore
Charles
Fitzsimmons
Lamotta
Chase
Lytell
Villemain
Sands
Fullmer
Hagler
Robinson
Kalambay
McCallum
Toney
Pavlik
Alvarez
Benn

Fifty One!

 

Oh! You've gone and done it, now !!

 

Warmed my heart this one, McVey.

 

Villemain 52-4-4 beat
Basora
DeJohn
Nardico
Gavilan
Raadik
Lamotta
Dauthille x2
Overlin
Krieger
Roderick
Walzack
Delanoit
Kouidrix2
Ranked
Dec 48. no8
Dec 49. no3
Dec50. no8
Dec 51. no 9

Rodriguez beat;
Hilton
Mundine
Manning
Benton
Briscoe x2
Carter x2
Cassidy
Rondon
Guitierez
Moyer
Giambra
McLurex2
Pace
Bahama
Gonzalez
Harris
Hernandez
Delima
Wright
Mims
Lester
Rivero
Ranked
Dec68. no2
Dec 69. no3
Dec70,no3
Dec71 .no6
Dec 72.no7
Dec73 .no3
Dec74.no8
Dec75.no10
Dec76.no3
Dec 77.no4
Dec 78 .no6
Eleven straight years in the middleweight top ten!
Humez beat
Scholz
Mueller
McAteer
Stretzx2
Langlois
Buxton
Mitri x2
Hairston
Dauthille
Stock
Janiro
He lost to Scholz on cuts in his last fight,having beat him7 months earlier.
Humez was ranked
Dec52.no2
Dec 54.no4
Dec 55.no3
Dec56.no2
Dec 57.no5
McAvoy
132-14-1
Beat
Sadd
Tunero
Risko
Sexton
McCoy
Harvey
There was no super middle division when he was fighting ,so he had to fight light heavies such as;
Mills
Harvey
Lewis
Phillips
And Peterson for the British heavyweight title.

 

Humez knocked Scholz down it 2 separate rounds that's 2 rounds out of the 10.Where can we read the fight was controversial or a robbery which papers said so?
Nope I was referring solely to McAvoy,you misunderstood ,not an unusual occurrence!

 

So in other words Valdes who was short to begin with didn't start out at middle and was past his prime when he fought Monzon. Fact

Same for Brisco. Welterweight. Also short. Noticing a trend Brisco also lost

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, and likely beat Monzon once.

Now which of the above is untrue? You remain a joke.

Do I need to address the rest of your nonsense?

Benvenuti was past his prime. Age is just one indicator. Ask those in the know. You'll see.

 

Giardello as low as 152

All of its untrue actually!

Valdes was 5'9 1/2"
Taller than middleweight champions
Greb
Ketchel
Walker
Dempsey
Garcia
Papke
Klaus
Graziano
Lamotta
Fullmer
Tiger
Corro
Duran
Abrahams
Thil
Zale
Cerdan
Basilio
Downes
Griffith
Antuofermo
Kalmbay
And our current champ Alvarez!
So above average height for a middleweight champion.

The following middleweight champions began their careers in divisions lower than middle

Greb under 140
Walker welter
Griffith welter
Steele under 140
Garcia welter
Graziano under 150
Robinson light
Basilio welter
Giardello as low as 152
Antuofermo light middle
Jackson light middle
Joppy low as 152
Leonard welter
Hearns welter
McCallum light middle
Duran light
Alvarez The present champion debuted at 139lbs and fought at welterweight winning the NABF title at that weight before winning the WBC Super Welter ttile and defending it successfully 6 times before losing it to ayweather in his only defeat to date!

Valdes was end of year ranked as follows.
71 .no5
72. no2
74.no1
75.no1
76 .no1
77.Champ!
He fought Monzon Jun 76 and Jul76!
So we can see Valdes steadily improved his ranking till he was number 1 for the last 2 years of Monzon's reign , finally winning the title after Monzon retired.
NB Monzon was nearly 34 when he fought Valdes. Valdes was 4 years younger!
Briscoe only twice made 147lbs in his entire career, for the 8 years before he challenged Monzon he was a full fledged middleweight.
From1970 until 1974 when he fought Valdes for the vacant WBC title Briscoe lost 3 times,a split dec to Luis Vinales, a loss to Valdes, and a loss to Monzon.

NB Briscoe at 5'8" was the same height as Saul Alvarez our current middleweight champion!
I ant to thank you for making your post it really warms my heart to see you make an absolute **** of yourself without any assitance from me!
Many Thanks!!!Im now going to bed laughing! lol

 

It is but some maybe written that if perhaps you did and so inside of France or outside in it you would still be recognized as a crazed fruit loop, looney tunes,and much earlier!

 

You do realize that the comment of mine you responded to was about Velazco, don't you? He was not a world-beater.

Re Abraham - elite-level boxers are able to beat or, at least, be competitive with other elite-level fighters. Abraham was not. Multiple victories over a mediocre Stieglitz, at 168, isn't cutting it.

Miranda is probably Abraham's best win at 160 - and Miranda, in terms of impact on the 160 division, was a bit of a damp squib.

At 168, Abraham is likely one of the most nondescript boxers to hold a world title there.

When you start having to focus on attempts to diminish other boxers, in order to squeeze the object of your fandom into the mix, you should realize that you don't have much of a case.