Can Kelly Pavlik resurrect his career?

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  1. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Doubt it. Both of the fights he lost were pretty brutal psychologically. He was the favorite in both and got schooled by both fighters. In the Martinez he got battered and bloodied which looked like he wanted to quit and in the Hopkins fight he didnt even win a round.
     
  2. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    I hope he can, but he has to sort his life out first.
     
  3. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    he will... better than ever.
     
  4. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    He will never be back at the top, he can make a lot more money with the right match ups because he has a fan base, but its got to be the style that will suit him.

    There are way too many good fighters at 168 for him to try to get in the mix at the top.

    What happened to that tomato can manfredo? He should knock him out and make some money
     
  5. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Pavlik-Mayorga @ 168 in May. Make it happen LOL
     
  6. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you agree that its a disease?

    I hate when people make optional things a disease. We all have the ability to control everything we do. Yes even going to the store to purchase alcohol and shoving it down your throat.
     
  7. Undisputed520

    Undisputed520 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kelly can come back as long as they match him against the right opponents, meaning come forward sluggers like Miranda and Zertuche. AA vs Pavlik would be an excellent fight, and though I personally think AA would KO him. o and by the way, Alcoholism is not a disease. Cancer is a disease. Any person with even moderate mental strength can stop or slow down a vice such as booze.
     
  8. marciano22

    marciano22 Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism[/ame]

    I don't know, some say it is some say it is not and i think it doesen't really matter to us.
    Booradly stated it's a progresive disease. While i am not certain about the disease part I am positive that it is progresive (an alcoholic is not born overnight) and this strongly defines the state of alcoholism. It creeps on you, gradually invades your thoughts, changes the way you perceive the world...
    But alcohol is most definetly not a consequence of a character flaw. IT just doesn't make sense. How could somebody say that Kelly can't fight when he got up from the canvas in the first Taylor fight so courageously and while we celebrate his heart and fighting spirit doctors shake their heads saying he should stay down because he is not strong enough to just say no and save his brain. What some call a character flaw others call a vindication of spirit... I hope Kelly has some fight left in him.

    You wrote that we have the ability to control everything we do. I agree but we are not made of rock.
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    There are a number of possible outcomes to Pavlik's current situation.

    1) After more than 20 years in Alcoholics Anonymous I can tell you for a fact that most alcoholics do not recover. It sounds harsh, but the most likely scenario is one that sees Kelly continue to drink, and continue to fight until we eventually see him losing to prospects on Friday Night Fights.

    2) Alcohlism is a progressive illness. It progresses in definable stages. A stage one alcoholic does not make the transition from fun loving hell raiser to full blown drunk in a year or two. When we look back over our drinking career we can almost always see that we were out of control long before we suspected it. Alcohol has probably had an adverse effect on KP for 5 or 6 years, or more. That would mean that we have never even seen Pavlik at his absolute best. Should he beat the odds and recover, he might come back looking like a guy who would beat the living **** out of the 2007 Kelly Pavlik.

    3) Recovery does funny things to people. Sometimes a person's priorities and life goals change dramatically. From what I've heard and read, KP has no intention of retiring, but there is a chance that he will discover that he does not give a rat's ass about boxing, and would rather do something else.