Can Liston Dismantle Wlad?

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Apparently Liston's reported reach has been both 80,5 and 84. Given that he looks very similar to Williams, I'd lean towards 80,5 as being correct.

Israel again, huh

 

84 inches is 7 feet. Liston was a broad man with very long arms and huge hands, but at a height of 6'1" I don't see an 84" reach to be accurate measure.

 

Wlad never lets him really get into the fight

 

3-4 inches longer reach than height I don't think is that rare even among Caucasians. I'd assume some broad shouldered people have longer reaches.


But this is an 11 inch difference. Unless Liston was super Ronnie Coleman bodybuilder wide at the shoulders I don't see it being possible ... even with his arms being that long and his hands that large.

 

Liston shatters that glass chin

 

The question should have been can Wlad dismantle Liston.

 

You overrate the Nation of Islam as "paramilitaries". There's nothing to class them as "paramilitary" like the IRA or UFF.

 

Sonny Liston had long arms, regardless of whether his reach is 84 or 80.

 

I would say Liston has the proverbial punchers chance....but the most likely outcome is Wlad stops Liston late while holding a wide lead on the cards

 

Re-watching the Liston-Williams fight, I actually think Williams might do better against Wlad than Liston. Williams showed good speed and ability to fight at range. In the first round when Williams kept his distance he was bossing Sonny around, who was clearly not as comfortable fighting a technical fight at range as he was mixing it up close. Once Williams started to engage more close up, Liston wrecked him.

Wlad takes Williams' outfighting ability and magnifies it. Steward version Klitschko was quite reluctant to mix it up close and would certainly try to turn the fight into a long distance jab n grab fest as he did so many times before. I think Sonny would have been quite frustrated by Wlad's negative style. Williams on the other hand had a sharp long and snappy jab and frankly I think he had the better of Liston with it. He might give Wlad something to think about for a while.

 

I think Wlad receives a very generous appraisal and rating (Top-20 in most lists I see), given the weak state of the division he competed in; that he really has no defining fight to speak of and that he never became the undisputed champ (despite having one of the longest title runs in one of the shallowest divisions, in history).

While he gains much kudos for longevity (perhaps, overly so), he often scores low in head-to-head match-ups, precisely because of the above.

 

Wladimir has very strong case for top 10, top 20 is absolute minimum.

 

On what basis, other than the longevity of his title run?

 

So longevity and consistency doesn't matter? I can as well say that Liston doesn't deserve top 10 talks outside of his Patterson fights.

 

I didn't even hint at that.

Any chance of you answering the question I actually asked, instead?