Can Liston Dismantle Wlad?

I think you are wrong in assuming that Wlad would just dominate Liston with his usual tactics. You just do not take into account at all that Wlad fought in a weak era. Liston is of a different caliber andhas the , jab, reach and punching power to create some serious issues.

What most fail to realize that Wlad has rarely ever been in a real fight. But he will be against opponents of a high caliber like Liston. Wlad did not react too well on the rare occasions he was in a fight. He does not have the toughness or chin.

 

I'm not a big Wlad fan at all. I just call them as I see them, rightly or wrongly. But Povetkin isn't an easy out. And Wlad mandhandled him with embarrasssing ease. And Liston was small looking against a young, very light version of Ali.

I just don't think Liston would get to land very many clean shots. He'd be smothered by someone nearly a half a foot taller and 30 pounds heavier round after round. And I'd argue Wlad was physically stronger than Liston. Not a harder puncher. Just a bigger, stronger man.

Wlad's chin is the wild card, for sure. But once Wlad learned how to grab and maul in the late 2000s is when he went on his amazing run, because it was VERY effective. That can't just be dismissed.

If some giant powerful man was potshotting Liston with hard shots and then shoving him around and pushing his head down and laying on the back of his neck, I don't know how long Liston would stick around.

I don't see it as some clean fight where both guys are standing on the outside and matching each other jab for jab or Wlad is covering on the ropes for minutes on end while Liston punches him in the body. It would've been a maul/clinch fest.

 

Well Tyson literally quit in 3 fights because he knew he couldn’t win. He tried to get ‘DQed’ in two other fights as a way out. We saw Liston quit in fights as well. Do you need anymore evidence?

 

Why did you bother asking me this, then...

...and then respond with a childish retort, when I replied, "No."?

The "high" is relative to the level of competition, which was poor.

I'm not keeping Wlad from anywhere... ...the many better Heavyweights, who have competed during the division's rich history do that for me.

How do you come to that conclusion?

He'd beaten just one Ring rated contender before he faced Wlad and the Povetkin/klitschko bout was an utter goat****. Good luck to anyone holding that fight up as an example of a heavyweight demonstrating his great championship qualities.

That's ok - because I'm not selling it. Do you just pull these strawmans out of your arse, at will?

I'd be happy to read your list of heavyweight stars of the Klitschko era.

Criteria which, other than longevity, you seem unable to articulate.

As I said at the outset, giving Wlad a top-20 ranking, which I often see him getting, is a generous appraisal, all things considered - and it is certainly not underrating him.

I hope you realize just how sensitive this^ makes you appear, as well as more or less admits that my case is actually "superior" to yours.

If you've taken offense to this position, then that's your problem; not mine.


Have a good day.

 

What offense? The discussion level is very low on this forum...

 

No, but I am talking about the mentioned fighters in their primes. Liston was not in his prime in 1964, Tyson was still in his prime in 1990, but not any more when he bit Holyfield, and George was in his prime in 1973. You are correct about those fighters who quit, Tyson and Liston, but they were far from their primes. Sonny fought with a broken jaw in 1954, he lost on points. It seems to me that Wlad was smoked against Anthony Joshua,. was he past his prime?

 

The jab of Liston is gonna breakdown Wladimir. He won't handle the exchange of jabs well. His timing will be interrupted and he will likely panic. Sonny had a power jab with tremendous reach. Liston will take Wlad's much better and keep his attack going forward. Throwing his power shots behind it.
Once Wlad starts to back up in a straight line its gonna end soon. He's not mean enough of a fighter. It ain't burger King. Can't alway have it your way. Sometimes your gonna get hit hard. Fighting Sonny Liston is one of those times.
He can't take the heat.

 

Sonny Liston brings too much heat, Wlad better stay out of the kitchen, Klitchko too robotic.