Can Marcel Cerdan be considered great?

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The record is very limited...but he does look great on film (Zale)...
    What is the opinion of the board?
     
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  2. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    top 20, not top 10. He wasnt proven enough to be a top 10 of all times.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree that he is not proven enough for a top 10, or at the very least, you got to do some work if you have him that high...

    He's a tough subject. Top 20 isn't offencive though, but I prefer to see him in the lower reaches, personally.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Got a bit of a soft spot for him myself. He's like Holmes, he can be debated quite well from both sides and is hard to totally pin down.
     
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  5. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feel the same way...He looks like an absolute terror against Zale...He certainly looks the part of a great performer to me...Zale was past it...I know...but you can't say he looked bad at all against Graziano, in the fight just before he fought Cerdan...I've mention before that an old trainer by teh name of Larry Kent (who trained SRR for a time) stated that Cerdan resembled Greb in his style.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Little doubt he was some fighter, i only wish we got a half decent chance to fully some him up. I mean how many potential sensational matches went begging with this guy, both before and after his untimely death.
     
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  7. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A fight with Robinson would have been unbelievable...But I am a Robinson apologist...So Robinson W15:yep
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I'm a huge Robinson fan, no need to tread lightly around me regarding him

    :D
     
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  9. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good deal JT1!...:yep
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Cerdan was probably slightly on the down slide by the time he got his shot against Zale ,but Zale was definitely on the way out.
     
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  11. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know certainly that Zale was problably not nearly what he was during the early '40's...But would you consider that Cerdan might have 'had his number' regardless... or not ?
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think thats very possible,Jack Sharkey called Cerdan "the best European fighter he ever saw"
     
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  13. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Herb Goldman ranks him at #2 behind Greb...Do you fellows think he might be top five in a 'head to head' sense? i remember in an old KO magazine article re fantasy fights, that William Detloff discounted Cerdan's chances against Thomas Hearns....Stating Hearns would KO him in four...Very diversified opinions on Cerdan(?)
     
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  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cerdan is hard to rate, for reasons already said. But he is STILL a great. The fact we still talking about Cerdan nearly 50 or so years after his plane crash should tell us that.
     
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  15. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I'd put him top 5 had to head. From the ones i have seen i'd say Hagler, Monzon, SRR, Cerdan and Hopkins.
     
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