Can Marciano beat 240lb fighters?

Not really if frank had focused on developing his fast twitch muscles more and honing more skill and meditated to change his personality to being more aggressive and ruthless he could have been an ATG alas it wasn't meant to be

I love old frank very nice man unfortunately you can be nice in boxing

 

I just think as it went from 12 to 15 it's given a bit more focus to strength and less on endurance.

Not sure exactly how the difference would work but there's more to it than just over eating.

 

Can Marciano beat 240lb fighters?


Sure if he lands hard enough, or wears his man down through attrition.


Marciano certainly had the power to do it and had the right style/crouch and duck movement to get inside work the body or head. Fitzsimmons who was even lighter flattened even bigger men that this, though they were not world class quality.


HOWEVER, the faster the feet and the better the jab of the 240-pound man, they less likelihood Marciano wins.


Rocky would be better off with 15 rounds, but at 12 rounds, he could afford to add a little extra weight.

 

I agree with this, however, Rocky trained for 15 rounds and not all 240 pounders can keep his pace for 15 rounds.

Most heavyweight stoppages happen before round 7 and some guys tend to slow down before 12.

If we are talking 12 rounds, I think Marciano could move up to 200 pounds without getting too stiff, but if it doesn't help him hit harder, he might be better off at 190.

Every boxer has their best weight. Magically adding 10-15 pounds doesn't always make them better. Ali looked awful at 220+. He was best around 210-215.

 

Yes Super heavyweight specimens existed as exceptions to the rule but only in the old giant oaf form that SHW used to exist in The pre "Spinks experiment" era.

Shilstone claimed to make Spinks 25lb heavier whilst at the same time reducing his body fat and improving his speed. This was back in 1985.

Don't you think it a bit coincidental that after that point there was an explosion of tall modern "heavyweights with skill" around Jess Willard size? Only they were no longer clumsy oafs?

Mitch Green, truth Williams, buster Douglas, tony Tucker, Jose Ribalta, Tyrell Biggs, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Shannon Briggs, Mavrovic, akinwande, Golota, The Klitchko boys it just went on and on. They were not oafs anymore.

Don't tell me it is because the general population got bigger so therefore all the big men got even bigger because we always had big SHW. They were always out there but only in very tiny numbers because in boxing it usually was suicide to be so big.

 

The very large hwts today are all roided up. If all performance enhancement drugs were impossible to maintain you would see far less impressive physical specimens in the ring today.

 

I don't see these behemoths as a bad thing.

The only thing I dislike is weak matchmaking, lack of championship clarity and excessive clinching.

 

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I don't see them as a bad thing either if it is a level playing field but I do see them as something that could not exist on its own before the last 30 years or so.

 

Boxing evolves, the biggest change is the size of the average weight in the HW division.

 

So that means the division has got bigger.

 

The division has been bigger for a long time now. Here's a post I made a year ago

Our top 10 atm:

Fury: 247
Wladimir: 245
Povetkin: 227
Wilder: 228
Pulev: 245
Stiverne: 254
Takam: 252
Glazkov:223
Jennings: 226
Cunningham: 204
Average: 235

Top ten year end 95

Bowe: 240
Lewis: 241
Tyson: 220
Moorer: 221
Holyfield: 213
Seldon: 234
Bruno: 247
Foreman: 256
Zolkin: 245
Akinwande: 230
Average: 235

Look at the numbers. The average weight of the top ten is same now as it was 20 years ago. Which top 10 features the heaviest man? 95. Which top 10 features the lightest man? 15. Which top 10 features most fighters over 230? 95.

People rabbit on about the division getting bigger, where is the proof?

Yes, since 96 the champion has been Lewis, then Vitali, then Wlad, then Fury. But that is more about style than anything else. Lewis is an ATG so nuff said there. Vitali had to fight Sanders for the championship, I dare say Vitali did not win because he was the bigger man. Cloudy period follows where we have had Byrd as number 1 (former MW) and Wlad as number 1 (beating the former MW). Wlad sealed his championship with a win over Povetkin, that was purely down to size so ill concede a point there. Fury beat Wlad because he was quicker and could stay out of range, so maybe that is size also.

But let's all bear in mind, the lightest contender out of the 20 men named on this post has very nearly scored a stoppage over the current champion, people need to pipe down about a SHW era.

Yes Wlad beat Povetkin and Haye by being bigger, would he have beaten a more skilled opponent with a better inside game, we may never know. We do know Fury has been dropped and shaken by a man no bigger than the afore mentioned 2. And is Fury a favourite over Povetkin right now? Not in my book and remember Povetkin is a man who is lighter than the average weight of the 95 crew.

Aside from the title holders who picked up beltsbaffer Fury's meltdown, every other notable SHW has struggled with a former CW sized fighter, with the exception of Wlad who perfected his style. HW fighters above 200 pounds would not be out of their depth. Sub 200 men would have to bulk which is then a discussion as to how successful that could be. But that's how it's been for about 20 years now.

 

Valuev got dethroned by Haye.
Vitali git stopped by Byrd.
Lewis s****ed by Holy
Bowe lost to Holy
Willard lost to Dempsey
Carnera lost to Louis
Fury s****ed by Cunningham

Only Wlad has really proven unbeatable against smaller men because of the way he dedicated himself to jab and grab.

If Cunningham can get inside Fury and drop him what's stopping Frazier or Dempsey repeating the trick? The only real question mark is Rocky, in terms of fighters who look great but are small for the division.

 

Like I said, most of these fighters are that weight because they are fat. I would say the conditioning of today's fighters is even worse than 95.

I say if the smaller yet more talented fighters can't beat these lard arses then that's on them, must try harder.