Can Marciano beat 240lb fighters?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Jan 9, 2017.


  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Lol I totally disagree at times but I still prefer you to the trolls on this site.
     
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  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There must be some 240 lbs guys around that Marciano could beat. But be competitive with the best of that size... When was the last time someone well below 200 lbs was even close to the top 10? Rocky was definitely a special fighter for his size in terms of power and strength and I believe his skill often goes underrated, but there's a reason there haven't been a lineal/undisputed HW champion his size for more than 50 years (even the Spinks brothers were just shy of 200 lbs at their lightest in title fights).
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    And aren't the Spinks brothers close enough? They couldn't hit nearly as great as Rocky.

    Rocky is one of the greatest punchers of all time, without p4p.

    GGG is a fresh reminder of how far being a great puncher can take you. Something we as boxing fans have kinda forgotten during the Pac/Mayweather era.

    If people are comparing his power to Povetkin and other heavyweights, can you imagine a bigger and stronger and better puncher like Rocky?
     
  4. mcvey

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    GGG is a consummate boxer with great footwork to get him into range to deliver his power,that was not Rocky.
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Different styles of course. But similar in their ability to deliver blows. Dempsey Louis and Rocky had different styles, but I group them together as elite punchers.

    Rocky had much better punches than GGG. The looping overhand right that nobody can match in technique. The leaping hooks that has him travel half way across the ring.

    GGG is much more like a Louis puncher. Always stays balanced, doesn't reach too much, maintains textbook boxing, etc.

    But obviously GGG is a class below Dempsey Rocky and Louis in terms of non p4p punching ability.
     
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  6. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No I know. It's just crazy if people are actually claiming that. Lol
     
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  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Yeah. Everyone has their own interpretation. But the guy fought both of them, so that gives him credibility in my eyes.

    Doesn't mean I think he's right, but that he genuinely believes it to be true. Which by itself says a lot.
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even since the Spinks brothers HWs have gotten a lot bigger. And they got lucky in that they met aging, unmotivated champions.

    The simple fact is that guys Marciano's size haven't been close ot the HW title for a very long time. When is the last time anyone that size as even in the top 10?

    Marciano would have had to be truly one of his kind, an absolutely singular specimen, to be the exception to this overwhelming statistic. And, yes, he was clearly very special, but not that special imo.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    Marciano would be a fat slob at anything over 200....he didn't have the torso to put on
    weight, even if he used PED's. His arms are too short, his legs are too short, he's just too
    short! He'd have to eat a lot of meatballs to get over 210. BTW my mom's meatballs
    were ATG.

    So we're talking about him maybe coming in at 195 (7 pounds over the weight in his last
    fight), fit and trim, fighting a very good 240-250 lb HW. Could he win? Sure, Tye Fields would
    be dead meat. So would Lou Savarese, Buster Mathis, guys like that. I really think he'd beat
    Joe Frazier. But Wlad would keep him at a distance and just jab him into a bloody mess.
    Lewis....too strong. Holmes....too good a jab. Ali....too much speed and a cutting type
    punch that would cut up Rocky into a TKO.

    Would be funny to see Rocky slap Fury around, though. I bet it would be another Dempsey-
    Willard, only worse.
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    You bring up good points.

    I see all the top greats as singular specimens.
    There's never been anyone like Marciano, as much as there's been anyone like Foreman, Ali, or Louis.

    The only exception is Wlad. And that's only because a freak case scenario where he has a twin brother who happens to be at the same level as him.
     
  11. choklab

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    Whatever the reason why 200lb HW don't make the grade anymore there used to be just as strong a reason as to why guys over 230 never made the grade. With very few exceptions It used to be suicide being so heavy.

    I think the reason is not that "big men with skill" simply emerged out of nothing.

    They emerged following advances in hi tech, specialised protein and training that enabled taller men to carry artificial weight in a way that was unacheivable before. That's the reason.

    There was plenty of long athletic men who took up boxing but the training of the day did not do them justice. They burnt out.

    Bulking up the old school way sacrificed everything that is seen as an advantage today.
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Holyfield in 1992 was fighting for the supreme title of boxing at 205.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Fred Floyd and John Dixon were both Karate guys, though :) Hoost is a K1 legend ... no shame in losing to him.

    Anyway, the point is that once the skill level goes up, weight advantage becomes crucial. We're actually in agreement ;)
     
  15. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Question though, if what you say is true about Marciano bulking up if he was around today then why didn't he for this fight? Not saying I don't agree with everything you say but putting out there. I'm of the mould that Rocky wouldn't fight at HW today, his style wouldn't bring great success IMO.