Can Mikey Garcia beat Lomachenko? Why Pedraza seemed to have so much success

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  1. sabor

    sabor Active Member Full Member

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    Why bother arguing with Floyd nut huggers. They will say whatever it takes to put Floyd on top. Loma is a fan favorite due to his unique combination of offense and defense skill set. Floyd on the other hand, not so much. The only thing most people will remember Floyd was for his running and hugging.
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I know that PBF would have lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight I just said he would have dummy. Loma would have lost to Salido in his 2nd pro fight as well at 19.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He should be being commended for fighting an opponent of Pedraza's quality and jumping straight back into a unification match up in his first fight coming back from a very serious career threatening injury and surgery and rehab to repair it, not being crucified because he clearly wasn't anywhere near his best which the injury obviously played a big part in. How many fighters would do that? That's not a rhetorical question.

    He could easily have said that he needed a tune up fight first against a much lesser opponent to test out the shoulder and ease back into things to stand him in good stead for a unification fight after that and spare him from any criticism from the kettle of vultures circling above just waiting for him to slip up and make the tiniest mistake so they can swoop down and tear the flesh of his carcass, but he didn't.

    No, he fought a two-weight world champion with just one blemish on their record (against a beast who he fought a very stupid fight against, much more recklessly and aggressively than he did against Loma), who in addition to holding wins over Tevin Farmer (via stoppage), Beltran, and numerous other decent opponents and me telling you before hand was too talented not to have some success against Loma, was also an excellent amateur - the highlight of his career winning silver at the World Amateur Championships, and with that big frame and reach of his is clearly suited to 135 and was bigger than Loma. In fact, a member of Pedraza's team said he might even more up to 140.

    Even Pedraza said he thought it was way too soon for him to be fighting and that you need at least 12 months to recover properly, an opinion which was echoed by my boy Andre ''SOG'' Ward who suffered a similar injury and had to have surgery and extensive rehab to repair it, which IIRC he said was both very difficult mentally and physically.

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    In Loma's fight prior to facing Pedraza he moved up in weight and took on the #1 ranked 130 pounder in the world (no 3 tune ups to settle into the weight like certain other fighters. Hmmm..) who in addition to being one of the most naturally gifted fighters in the sport also held every physical advantage over him (height, reach, weight, and even probably speed as well (Linares' hands are stupidly fast, like he's unquestionably one of the very quickest in the sport as is GRJ) and pro experience on him and he stopped them despite fighting with a badly injured shoulder from the 2nd round onward.

    How many times has Crawford, who has only stopped 3 of the 6 current of former world champions he's faced even though he had a 5lb and 6lb weight advantage over 2 of them and probably at least that over the other one, fought an opponent who had height, weight, reach, and speed over him, let alone one as gifted as Linares and in his first fight at the weight and fighting with a seriously injured shoulder from the 2nd round onward? Conversely, Loma has stopped 5 of the 7 current or former world champions he's faced even though 4 of them had a weight advantage over him and the world champions he's fought are of a higher calibre than the ones Crawford has faced, all bar one in his (Crawford's country).
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Why bother? Typical, because you don't like it when someone hits you in the face with a sobering dose of reality? Continue living in your dream land. PBF is still talked about and was the best fighter of his era made the most money of any boxer in history and shattered PPV records, Loma is great but if he gets to that status he will be lucky.
     
  5. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    No one ever mentions this, but Loma is so inaccurate with his flurries for the most part. I say most part before someone brings up round 11.
     
  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i dont think many are meant to cause damage or score. loma likes to vary the speed and power of his punches in between flurries. he sets a rhythm that the defender starts to fall into and then he quickly shoots a fast powerful shot outside of the rhythm his pitty pat punches set. its like hitting them when they arent expecting it. he tries, and is very successful in timing these disguised power shots to the body, he times them on the exhale when the organs are least protected.
     
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  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I hate to tell the Loma fans this (and I am one, how could you not be, he’s everything right about the sport), he had 400 amateur fights. That is a monstrous amount. Do not expect him to have a long prime. He is an attacking fighter, at a light weight fighting above his natural weight as he already filled out and moved up.
    He has 2 years tops before another elite fighter will be able to pull off the upset on him. I would try and make the tank fight now, and get Leo Santa Cruz to move up. Don’t wait on the Garcia fight. I’d be shocked if Loma looks as good as he does by age 33.
    I’m actually slightly surprised he still looks this good now.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you expect with head movement like that, he's not doing a Mayweather in there throwing one or two shots.
     
  9. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can't outbox Loma,,you have to outbomb him. Garcia needs to go straight at him and let him feel the power.
     
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  10. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    Yeah, I can see that point.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The 10th was Pedraza's best round, Loma showed his character and his true level the very next one by going out there and beating the absolute dog**** out of him in the 11th, a round where he actually started using the right hand a lot more and punching in combination. Pedraza's a warrior (and he seems like a lovely guy from the interviews of his I've watched these past few weeks) and managed to hang tough and make it to the end of the round and indeed the final bell so credit to him for that.
     
  12. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No.
    Floyd would school him.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Loma would have beat Castillo more convincingly than Floyd did.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Not now! Time to move on!
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Who was that opponent?