Can Miller go to the distance with Joshua?

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Fight goes to distance?

  1. No, Joshua knocks him out

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  2. Yes, like against Parker

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They hardly rushed to this fight, Hearn originally stated he wanted Joshua's next opponent decided way back in early December. When Joshua steps in with Miller in June he will have not fought in 8 months which will be his longest period of inactivity, he was meant to fight in April, nothing about these negotiations has been rushed if anything it's been a slow drawn out process.

    Miller was the best option that was left after Wilder and Fury chose to fight each other than fight for a record payday vs Joshua and Whyte chose to play hard ball and squeeze Hearn after it seemed Hearn had painted himself into a corner with the commitment to the April Wembley date, which to be fair was the smart thing to do, but he over played his hand and it cost him the fight with Joshua.

    Fact is these guys asking for big spits vs Joshua need to realise there's always other options for Joshua. He choose Miller because Miller likely is taking much less for this fight than Whyte leaving Joshua a much bigger piece of the pie and according to Hearn giving Joshua a record payday. Now while I understand Joshua choosing money over the better fight, I can't applaud him for that, he can't keep choosing the more lucrative option over the better opposition.

    As for Whyte, he's still WBO mandatory so he'll likely get and even bigger offer when that comes around, so he's hardly in a bad position. Only risk he has is he loses before that happens, because he's a fighter willing to take risks unlike others who are happy to sit on their mandatory status and fight journeymen.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Whyte Ranked #4 https://tinyurl.com/yblp72ru Full Member

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    First of all, yes AJ was supposed to fight someone in April, and he was praying and hoping it would be Wilder or Fury (moreso Wilder) but it became obvious early in the year that was not going to happen.

    Whyte was the back up option and they built the media narrative like crazy! I mean they went all out, selling the rematch through Sky, interviews everything. The names AJ and Whyte were dropped at every opportunity. So they did indeed rush to Miller, over Whyte in not spending enough time to see through their media investment over many months in building the Whyte rematch or spending more time at the negotiations table.

    Whyte playing hardball? Whyte squeezing Hearn? Surely that is a joke. He simply tried to stand up for himself. AJ was already getting a HUGE slice of the pay in both a rematch clause and the first fight.

    And it is all pure conjecture about Miller giving AJ his biggest payday... based on what??? Hearns words? Meaningless. When this fight happens you and me can sit down and see exactly how it performed. Yeah Miller would take less than Whyte, but it wouldn't carry the same exposure... not 10 weeks out.

    "As for Whyte, he's still WBO mandatory so he'll likely get and even bigger offer when that comes around, so he's hardly in a bad position. "

    And no... Whyte is not getting a better offer by going the mando route... he simply wants to avoid a rematch clause where he does not get ****ed over by AJ twice in a row. Mando is 80/20, should whyte win he can dictate any future rematch splits and stick it to AJ.

    Whyte is a reasonable man, he offered Chisora fair rematch clause when it was Chisora that wanted him far far more. So much so he gave 20 per cent of his purse away to Haye just for that extra boost. Whyte did not need Chisora at as it was uber high risk.

    Whyte is showing more balls and integrity than AJ.

    There is a lot...and I mean a lot... of money in the fight had it been in April between AJ and Whyte at Wembley. And what was offered to Whyte was chump change dwarfed by the overall revenue.

    AJ would be getting a larger slice, plus the trimmings. And Whyte the left overs. Nah that is not reasonable at all.
     
  3. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    It's possible. If he survives the first 3 or 4 rounds AJ may content himself controlling distance and racking up rounds behind his jab.

    I keep on seeing him dismissed but Miller's size, engine and workrate should give any HW pause for thought. I don't think he has explosive power but there will be cumulative effects from that workrate and his bulk will tire out any opponent who is regularly in a clinch.

    I think his objective will be to take the fight long and test the limits of AJs engine, which Takam maybe got closer to than he and his trainer may have wished. If AJ puts on weight to reduce big baby's size advantage that stamina management may see the fight go the distance.

    Still predicting AJ KO, but a more interesting fight than some here suggest.
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

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    While I agree it was meant to be Joshua/Whyte as a back up fro April, Miller was always an option, Hearn said in Oct 2018 that Miller could fight AJ in 2019 and I doubt Hearn was just relying on Whyte to easily agree to Joshua, he always had Miller as another option, Miller has been on the cards as an opponent for ages. They came to terms with Miller, that might look like a rush job in comparison to the drawn out negotiations with Wilder and Whyte, but fact is when both sides agree it always comes together pretty quickly.

    Standing up for yourself or playing hard ball, same thing to me, as I said I don't blame Whyte for it, he knows his worth and had a strong negotiating position. But let's be clear Joshua doesn't need Whyte. If Joshua never rematches Whyte it doesn't really effect his legacy of standing as a fighter, he's already beaten Whyte. So when you have a fighter like Joshua who can make millions vs anyone and you have an option to fight 2 guys and one guy is asking for more money who do you choose? Miller got the fight because he asked for less, pure and simple and that cost Whyte the fight.

    So if you say is correct and Whyte is never getting a better offer, how on earth is he not over playing his hand and screwed himself over. So he's going to accept less for the WBO mandatory now and that's better somehow? Sure it means he can dictate terms in a rematch if it goes to purse bids but lets be clear Hearn will never allow Joshua to fight without a rematch clause, he's said so recently, if Whyte tries to force terms with no rematch then Joshua likely vacates the belt. And I don't think being offered record paydays he wouldn't get elsewhere is hardly being ****ed over like you say.

    You can't keep comparing Joshua to Chisora, 2 very different fighters with different marketability. Whyte wanted Chisora because the first fight was competitive, some even had Chisora winning, I didn't, I had Whyte up by 2 rounds but some thought first fight was close and so a rematch was much anticipated. It was a biggest fight available at the time for Whyte so of course Whyte offered better terms as Chisora was playing hard ball. Joshua isn't in the same position as Whyte is with Chisora. Their first fight while competitive for a couple of rounds ended decisively for Joshua, Joshua has other options to make big money other than Whyte and so he doesn't need to give as much during negotiations to Whyte. So comparing the situation with Whyte/Chisora to Joshua/Whyte is an inaccurate comparison.

    As for what Joshua makes for Miller, we can only guess but Hearn has a better idea than anyone. With DAZN paying big money for fights right now, it's safe to say they paid a lot for AJ/Miller, they likely have been pressuring Hearn to get AJ to fight in the US. Throw in UK PPV which will be diminished to some degree but will likely still do more a lot more than Whyte generates, it's safe to say Joshua is doing well financially from this fight. £25-30 mill if reports are to be believed. I guess when the commission receives the purse guarantees pre-fight we'll have a better idea of what they made.
     
  5. Aydamn

    Aydamn Whyte Ranked #4 https://tinyurl.com/yblp72ru Full Member

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    Just because Miller accepts less money than Whyte, doesn't mean AJ gets more money as a result.

    They are different fights, they generate different amounts of money, US is a new market for AJ this represent economic risk as there is not enough hard data to estimate revenues.

    Whyte vs AJ is a guaranteed draw at the gate, there is a ton of money in it, and AJ would make more in that fight then with Miller I believe, even if Whyte got a reasonable share.


    If Whyte goes the Mando route, and there is no rematch clause for AJ... and AJ is not happy then so what. He can vacate the belt and give it to Whyte but he is not going to do that because he wants unification and legacy.
    So if WBO force Joshua's hand he is going to have to accept it or vacate.. unless Hearn pulls a fast one with Usyk to replace Whyte which I highly doubt would work but is an option.


    He is getting ****ed over plain and simple when he gets a miniscule share of revenues two times in a row.

    Business is about both getting value for both parties, and it is just as important if not more important then belts, legacy and rankings... because those things don't feed your family or put money on the table.

    AJ wants to walk away with lobsided share of the pot two times in a row in a fight where Whyte adds real value. Whyte is a somebody, not a nobody... and that adds more value than previous AJ fighters bar Wladimir.
    We can agree to disagree on the career high payday, it's just a fluffy word and not how business is conducted in the real world. In the real world everything is done via percentages... it is deceiving to offer otherwise.

    I can definitely keep comparing Joshua to Chisora 2 because they both exemplify the difference in attitude between AJ and Whyte, and how AJ is struggling to secure high profile fights and satisfy his fanbase.
    • Yes AJ stands to lose vs Whyte, just as Whyte stood to lose against Chisora in undoing 4 years of hardwork to get a chance at AJ.
    • Yes AJ does not need Whyte for rankings or legacy, just as Whyte did not need Chisora, as he already he won officially.. and already felt he won in his mind ...end of story.
    • The fans wanted Chisora rematch, Whyte said yes.
    • The fans wanted Whyte rematch with AJ (as fury and wilder are out), AJ made it difficult.
    • On top of that Whyte made it very reasonable on rematch clause with Chisora rematch, very fair... but AJ didn't want to negotiate at all for a reasonable split.

    AJ would have made tons of cash out of this fight, when there is hardly any other fight out there that will generate the same right now, no wilder, no fury.

    Yeah AJ can make "MILLIONs" fighting anyone, but he won't make as many millions fighting anyone other than Whyte, Fury or Wilder right now.

    Yeah we will see how much the Miller fight generates, Whyte fight would have been a guaranteed high pay day for Joshua, Wembley was set... and the fans were primed.

    For Wembley, we have hard evidence and data from previous Matchroom AJ turnouts, for New York- Miller -DAZN, we have no clue.

    How known is Miller? Barely!
     
  6. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    AJ wins by KO in the 9th.

    Miller does ok, nothing more, at first whilst losing the majority of Rounds 1-6 as AJ sizes him up.

    AJ then ups the ante, with brutal power, in Rounds 7-9.
     
  7. HerolGee

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    AJ will end it any time he wants.
     
  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Whyte Ranked #4 https://tinyurl.com/yblp72ru Full Member

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    Thank you for your meaningful contribution to this thread.

    You have used your IQ to its full potential.
     
  9. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    Thanks.

    You really are a piece of work at times. Shove me on ignore if I am really that low down, scrambling for crumbs, from your own self inflated sense of importance table (for one).

    If you don't like my view(s), ignore them. Not too difficult cha.

    For the record, your replies to this will be read but will remain unanswered. Slanging matches are not my style. You crack on though, cha.
     
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  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Whyte Ranked #4 https://tinyurl.com/yblp72ru Full Member

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    I was just winding you up, you said absolutely nothing wrong.

    Just wanted to see the emotional outburst, which was way better than I anticipated.
     
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  11. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    You daft divvy!

    1-0 to you then. I bit! :dunno
     
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  12. Sammy123

    Sammy123 Money Maker Staff Member

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    Miller will stop Joshua. You heard it here first. If he doesn't I'll give everyone 500 free vcash.
     
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  13. Aydamn

    Aydamn Whyte Ranked #4 https://tinyurl.com/yblp72ru Full Member

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    Hahaha :D
     
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  14. GALVATRON

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    Can he go 12? Yes

    but then you asked will be knock him out ? Which imop is yes.

    i think it all depends on how AJ approaches it. I'm expecting somewhere around 5th stoppage.
     
  15. Jackomano

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    If anyone is interested here is a Miller Interview with Everlast talking about him working with Toney & Roy Jones, and why he thinks his size and work rate give him the edge in the division.

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