Can Pac qualify in ATG list?

He is already an ATG (For me a top 100 fighter qualifies).

I will say that the win over Diaz doesn't do anything to move him up though. I said that before the fight and haven't changed my mind. He fought brilliantly, but no more so than I expected him to. So I won't move him up. Now beating one of the winners of the upcoming LW title fights would improve his standing.

 

I agree with what KG said basically. The Diaz win didn't do half as much for him as everyone seems to think, but he's probably done enough by this point to deserve ATG status. Just depends on how high up you are talking about. Top 100 is satisfactory for me, not sure where exactly though.

 

Hes already top 50 for me. If you can list 50 fighters above him, there would be an easy argument to place him above many of them. Its all a matter of opinion though and very subjective.

 

Cleaning out the LW division and beating Hatton get him in the top 20. I know you may rank him higher. That's fine. Right now I have him right outside the top 50 (55-60 range) subjectively and just a little higher objectively (48-53 range if I were to sit and make a list. The last list I made is about a year old.

 

Already in the Top100.

 

Here's my top 35, and I'll add a few more fighters:

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Mickey Walker
8. Roberto Duran
9. Benny Leonard
10. Barney Ross
11. Willie Pep
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Tony Canzoneri
15. Barbados Joe Walcott
16. Bob Fitzsimmons
17. Joe Gans
18. Joe Louis
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Archie Moore
21. Gene Tunney
22. Emile Griffith
23. Alexis Arguello
24. Carlos Ortiz
25. Kid Gavilan
26. Ike Williams
27. Roy Jones Jr.
28. Eder Jofre
29. Marvin Hagler
30. Jimmy Wilde
31. Julio Cesar Chavez
32. Sandy Saddler
33. Thomas Hearns
34. Charley Burley
35. Jose Napoles

Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
Rocky Marciano
Evander Holyfield
Michael Spinks
Bernard Hopkins
Dick Tiger
Mike McCallum
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Wilfred Benitez
Carmen Basilio
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Aaron Pryor
Azumah Nelson
Ruben Olivares
Carlos Zarate
Fighting Harada
Miguel Canto
Pasqual Perez
Ricardo Lopez
Salvador Sanchez
Jack "Kid" Berg
Jimmy McLarnin
Jack Britton
Ted "Kid" Lewis
George Dixon
Panama Al Brown
Kid Chocolate
Tommy Loughran
Felix Trinidad
Jake LaMotta
Wilfredo Gomez
Beau Jack
Bob Montgomery
Benny Lynch
Freddie Miller
Vicente Saldivar
Freddie Welsh

There are in fact quite a few guys in the lower weight classes of the 40's that have much better overall resumes. But I'll let you dissect that first.

 

PAc is knocking on 50 at this point maybe even ahead of MAB and Erik...HAtton is the most overrated fighter in the last 20 years...I would be hard pressed to bump Pac 10 places for beating Hatton...Id be impressed if PAc beat the Casa/JMM winner AND Guz/Nate winner..Thats top 20 and beyond

 

This shouldn't even be a question ..Of course he is !!!

 

Hatton being overrated is subjective though. He still beat Kostya Tsyzu and Jose Luis Castillo (shot IMO). He is a good enough fighter where Pacquiao overcoming the size difference is a significant accomplishment.

Besides, he asked if Pacquiao cleaned out LW and beat Hatton. Not one or the other lol.

 

I currently have Pacquiao ranked in the top 50 and if he could clean out the LW division as well as beat Ricky Hatton, then I could possibly see him in the top 10..

 

:good

 

I await those who consider Pacquiao top 50 of all time to pick off some of the fighters I listed earlier and tell me why Pac outranks them in an all-time sense.

As for cleaning out the LW division and beating Hatton, neither will happen, so leave it alone. And even if it did happen there's no way in hell he'd be top 10 of all time.

 

Sweetpea; cmon now. My man Hagler at 29? :roll: kidding, kidding

Its a good thing I just ordered some dvds of a few of the guys you rank above him, so I can check them out myself. One of these days, after I watch more of whats available for the guys from pre 60s, I will compose my own list :yep