Can Paul Williams "do a Henry Armstrong" and become an ATG in 2009?

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  1. DINAMITA

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    Paul Williams says he can make any weight 147-168.

    Personally, I think he would be outgunned up at 168. Guys like Kessler and Froch would be too naturally strong for him.

    However, if Paul Williams can line up fights with Antonio Margarito (or Berto or Clottey if a fight can't be made with Margo), Vernon Forrest (who is apparently desperate for a big fight and a big payday) and Kelly Pavlik or Arthur Abraham (I think Paul would have a better chance vs Pavlik) in quick succession, then he could conceivably become the first man to hold titles in 3 divisions at the same time since Armstrong.

    Now of course to achieve this would take some spectacular match-making by his promoter and it is unlikely to materialize in reality, but if I was Williams and his promoter, I would be moving heaven and earth to try and achieve this.

    I think Paul Williams is on the verge of becoming something special. I'm not certain he would beat Margarito in a rematch as Margo is so so strong at 147, but I get the feeling that Williams is on the brink of greatness if he chooses his next few steps carefully.


    Thoughts/opinions? :bbb
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    There is no way Williams can become an ATG in 2009 and not even he believes this.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    He really does not have that type of ability. I think he is still essentially limited in certain aspects of his technique. He still looks like more of an athlete than a skilled boxer, but he's improving. Against a skilled counterpuncher like Mayweather, or Dzinziruk at 154, maybe even Martinez he would be in trouble. I'm not sure Margarito has much for him stylistically.

    And I'm certain he'd be far better matched against Abraham. He could try and keep a fight like that at range and win on work-rate whilst trying to avoid any shots that would be likely to end his night. That wouldn't work against Pavlik who is just as rangy and active, but with middleweight power.
     
  4. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    Only time will tell. Just because he can make any weight between 147-168 doesn't mean he's effective at all of them. I personally think that if he "did the Henry Armstrong thing" and was hopscotching as champion between those weight classes, it would be terribly impressive, but only if he was collecting belts.
     
  5. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    You online :admin and repeating threads of other people! who'd have thought lollllllllllllll
     
  6. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with you about his technique issues, but I've seen some excellent adaptability in him in certain unique ways that are very understated and tend to go unnoticed. He's also gotten much more aggressive lately, and actually putting power into his punches, which has made him far more interesting and dangerous. The bottom line is that I want to see his fights. I don't really give a **** about this ATG stuff to be honest. That's for boxing nerds that spend more time making lists than watching fights.
     
  7. The Prophet

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  8. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think he can. Beating Phillips didn't prove an awful lot and the top 154'ers would beat him. If he wants a title at MW then Sturm is the best bet. At 168 his physical advantages would be non-existant and he would be outboxed.

    Even if he somehow manages to do it then it wouldn't compare to Armstrong's feats. Armstrong achieved it in an era with one title and just 8 weight divisions. Signifcantly more impressive than than picking up one of four belts in an era with 17 weight divisions.
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    That is one of the things I've noticed he's improved very recently is his punch technique. He used to throw a lot of arm punches that wouldn't hurt ****, it would be considered laughable for him to compete at 160. But he's developing into a fighter with good power even with his work-rate. Just shows how much correct punch technique and leverage makes a difference.
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong wouldnt have lost to Carlos Quintana.

    When will the overrating of Williams stop?
     
  11. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell Calzaghe that:hey:lol:.
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    No Chavs Allowed! Disappear! :lol:
     
  13. DINAMITA

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    FFS no-one is comparing him to Henry Armstrong in terms of ability/greatness, don't be ridiculous, but with Williams's ability to jump between weight classes he could become the first man to hold world titles in 3 weight divisions since Armstrong. Although Williams's feat would be nowhere near as impressive becuase we are now in the alphabet era, he could still hold 3 titles in 3 different weight classes, which (if he did beat the top man in each division (Margarito, Forrest, Pavlik) would be a special achievement IMO.
     
  14. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    But I have a lot more wealth than you? plus both sides of my family are from noble heritage, though you're right, after the lonely Christmas in ESB all day, the last thing you want is a dashing young handsome chap like me ridiculing you.

    How was Christmas on here btw? just you online? lollllllllllll
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Forrest isnt the top guy at 154, Dzinziruk is. And Pavlik would murder Williams. Dont be surprised if old man Winky schools Williams. Paul isnt great.