Can PEDs give you a good chin???

they don't do it automatically, but if you work out your legs and neck and take steroids, they'll get stronger faster right?

 

PEDs can definitely improve your chin. It's tough to notice on men, but women who take them clearly build wide, powerfull chins. HGH and what not makes the bone grow in the jaw.

Case in point:

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That is bull****.

PED like steroids is useless in boxing.

In order for you to gain strength, you must gain muscle mass, with the androgenic steroids do. However, it also makes you bulkier, therefore heavier.

If you review those that have tested or admitted to using steroids, they are the fighters who went up in division to fight bigger fighters, or a division lower fighter who recently went up. However, the downside to that is when you jump one division or two higher, your gain in power is easily negated by the bigger punch resistance of bigger opponents as well as you are facing bigger punchers.

The other steroids without the androgenic side effect are useless except that it is anti-inflammatory or decreases swelling and inflammation. Most of these so called anti-inflammatory steroids are not illegal by WADA anyway as long as permission is granted to use steroids for inflammation.

The other PEDS like the HGH had been shown to increase burst speed in a very short duration, which is beneficial to sprinters who are running 100 meters because the benefit is a small significance but would matter if we are talking of milliseconds. That is the only documented under clinical study that HGH gives.

EPO is used to increase stamina by increasing red blood cell, which carries oxygen. However, is raises suspicion easily by a simple blood tests after the fight. EPO takes 2 weeks to increase hematocrit 1 percentage points, which is not very much actually. It might give you an extra round but not the entire 12 rounds. It still boils down to conditioning.

Boxing is actually a sport where PEDS does not suit very well. History of those that actaully been tested for these kinds of drug showed that when they took these drugs, they were never superior or dominating at the time they were taking these drugs. Example Mosley, RJJ.(BTW, it did not improve RJJ's chin) It simply won't make a Malignaggi a Pacquiao even if malignaggi owns a PEDS factory.

Besides, the side effects outweigh the benefits.

Example -

Rage - you start poking defenseless security guard, punching the mother of your children, go to twitter and start racist rant

Roid psychosis - you have paranoia that the people of your country is supporting a fighter who is foreigner instead of you, you think fighters are using steroids too.

Baldness - when both your parents have full head, you will start to become bald.

Gayness - if you accidentally took the steroids which has feminization side effect, like gynecomastia or enlargemnet of the breast.

 

Ask BALCO Mosley......................he gave a deposition on the subject...........

 

A better question: Do PED's increase your punch resistance? Does constantly running from the police make you faster?

 

This is largely crap. You're blabbering on about the effects of high androgen anabolic steroids and ignoring the anabolic component totally. Many anabolic steroids nave a low androgenic score, as is shown by their therapeutic index and have been used in a wide variety of sports. Anavar has an extremely low androgenic component but is massively anabolic and won't give ANY of the sides you've mentioned. It's one of the "enhancements" that Ben Johnson was reputed to have used. Deca-Durabolin also barely scratches the androgenic surface, far, far lower than testosterone for example, but is far more anabolic. Flojo was alledgedly a user as it's potential for virilisation, as with Anavar, Primobolan and a whole slew of others is minimal. In fact Anavar is approved for medical use in women and children, it's androgenic sides are so low. Anavar and Winstrol are ideal for athletes who don't want to gain a whole heap of muscle mass as they're excellent for cutting fat and improving strength without gaining too much muscle bulk, but will rather give small lean gains in size, good strength gains, whilst reducing bodyfat.

As to your posts about sides, the "roid rage" myth is pretty much that. Sure some people will act like an ass when they use steroids, but you'll pretty much always find they were acting like an ass before they ever went near a steroid too. The baldness thing, well that's been already addressed by the fact that not ALL steroids have a high androgenic component and the gynecomastia only occurs in steroids that can aromatise into estrogenic compounds. Primobolan, Anavar and Winstrol, for example, don't...again along with a whole slew of others.

As to "having" to gain muscle mass to gain strength, as you mention in the first part of your post, broadly speaking you're PARTIALLY correct, however muscle density and fibre thickness can be increased without much weight gain, as is evidenced by Olympic weightlifters, many of whom remain in the same weight class for years, but keep increasing their lifts year in, year out.

 

Anabolic or anabolism is simply a term where a body builds up, as opposed to catabolic or degrade.

It simply means that more muscle is developed. Androgenic is just a term to denote masculinization or development of masculine characteristic common among steroids used by the east germans in the 70' and 80s. Remember women weightlifters who have facial hair, large adam apples, and a bass voice.

Anabolic steroids don't have these side effect or minimal androgenization. However as the term suggest, it causes the body to build up or anabolic or anabolism. Therefore bigger muscle,

Unless there is muscle build-up, there is no power gained. Which makes a fighter taking anabolic steroids bigger, therefore bigger weight, or higher weight. Which is basically counterproductive as in boxing you want to remain in the lowest division that would benefit you- fighting smaller opponents than you are.

 

No it can't.

Conditioning improves punch resistance but even that doesn't do much for different fighters. Different people, different results.

 

I suppose at HW the extra muscle mass will make you absorb more punches, just look at Shannon Briggs for instance. Since he was tko'd against Lewis he added an extra 20kgs of muscle and hasn't been knocked down since despite being in with some monster punchers.

 

Not all steroids are prohibited.

Only those that have anabolic effects are prohibited.

Glucorticosteroids (the anti-inflammatory steroids) which Divac is saying gives unfair advantage because it causes the body to repair faster or recover faster, is actually not prohibited, but it simply has to have Declaration of therapeutic use. Meaning that if you strain a muscle or had a sprain, the doctor will simply declare that there was a need for that drug to be injected, swallowed, etc. Tpoical corticosteroid does not even need to have that.

 

You're both right and again, wrong here.
Anabolism DOES mean build up, however some ANABOLIC steroids which have a massive anabolic level, but a very low androgenic level have little ability to build much of a degree of muscle mass. See Primobolan for a really, really good example. It'll help you to hold onto muscle while cutting fat, it'll make your musculature harder and denser looking and you'll get stronger, but you won't build a deal of mass on it, no matter how much you take. And again, see my point about Olympic Weightlifters who stay in the same class. Tetrahydrogestrinone, the infamous "Clear" which dear old Patrick Arnold gave to BALCO was ideal for boxing, because it'll make you leaner, harder and stronger, but won't build a huge amount of bodymass. That is one of the reasons it's was almost totally ignored by bodybuilders as a waste of their time.

The steroids with the most potential to add large degrees of muscle mass are the androgenic/anabolic steroids. They will cause virilisation, they will bang a load of water weight onto a body, they will also build a large degree of muscle mass. The side effects you're referring to with the East German athletes largely came because those regimes didn't give a hoot whether their female athletes developed masculine characteristics, hence their utilisation of Turinabol, which does have a high androgenic index. In fact i seem to recall reading the articles where the trainers came around daily with a box holding "the little blue pill" that was required by the athletes to take on a daily basis along with their "special vitamin" shots. The androgenic/anabolic drugs were used because they gave faster and more dramatic gains in a very much shorter time and also, as I pointed out, the regime didn't give a damn whether their athletes suffered virilising side effects.
This stuff isn't really up for debate. I mean go onto Anabolic Minds or Elite Fitness or in fact Isteroids or anabolic-steroids.net, for example, and have a read. All the info is there.

To flatly state that all the fighters who've used or been found guilty of steroid use is purely those who "went up" is a nonsense and it's also a nonsense to state that steroids with a low androgenic index are useless.
People can increase their strength massively without gaining huge muscle mass. That is a fact, plain and simple.
If you're not convinced I suggest you go and read a copy of Vida's "Androgens and Anabolic agents" or some of Bill Reynolds or Dr Mauro Pasquales works.