Can people now admit Eddie and AJ were the stumbling block to the big fights?

Don't try and rewrite history ****.

I remember full well how many difficulties Wilder and his team threw up throughout the years. He didn't want any part of Joshua or any really hard fight. This is reflected in who they actually ended up fighting as champions.

Whether Joshua or Hearn are responsible for the hold ups today is a different matter. But given how nightmarish their previous encounters were I don't blame them for not wanting to commit.

 

Lol. The guy you are hyping up has NEVER defended more than one belt. In fact, he only defended that one belt he holds hostage a measly three times. Heck, the guy has more kids than title fights.

Fury's resume is absolutely laughable. And the fact of the matter is, if someone told you after the Klitschko fight that "hey, the guy will duck the rematch and will only have five more title fights in the next eight years, three of those will be fought against the same limited guy and Fury will only defend a single belt a measly three times", you would have laughed it off that no way such a great fighter as Fury would achieve so little in almost a decade. And here we are, eight years after the Wlad fight, and you guys are trying to justify and big this absolutely garbage resume up.

You know I'm right. Don't say you wouldn't have reacted the way I described back then had you known what Fury would do in the next eight years. If you'd say no, you wouldn't have reacted that way and you are actually happy and proud of what he has done in all these years since 2015, you'd be blatantly lying and you know it.

 

It doesn't make sense that Wilder is the main problem in the AJ-Wilder situation.
Wilder is heading for 40, not AJ, and this is his last chance for the big fight. He's also not the one claiming to need 'rebuilds', even after being smashed by Fury twice.

It's clearly AJ and Hearn that are blocking it because they feel they can milk more years and paydays out of Big Joshie, selling him to the idiot market Sky and Matchroom built in the UK. Wilder can wipe them out with one punch in any round and retire the 'brand' so the English can go knight him then elect him for prime minister. And all the little grovelling fools can worship their hero and buy the latest fitness and hiphop merchandise.

The fact the fight is nowhere near as big as it was years ago will also make Hearn-J more fearful because the risk is simply not worth what it was. They've always been terrified of being KO'd by Wilder though, and the Fury fights spooked them bad.

 

fury faced the harder challenges than AJ?

 

tyson Fury is the reason him and HW boxing looks like a total joke. Him being drug cheat and a duck is the reason rematch with Wlad never happened, he is the reason him and AJ never happened , he is the reason he never fought anyone except limited wilder and people like you is the reason joke like Fury ducks challenges while fighting and losing to mma fighter.

 

Who cares about who wrote him off? How is this relevant to the fact that he has been an utterly rubbish champion since?

And who cares about Joshua? Why is this an obsession of Fury fans to always mention Joshua? Frank Warren is the same - whenever Fury is criticised rightfully for something, his first go to response is "but... but... Joshua". What is this, what's wrong with you lot?

For what it's worth, yes, Joshua has been a hundred times better as a champion than Fury. It's not even comparable. Everybody is whining about how boxing is not what it used to be, how the seventies and the nineties were better - while in the seventies and the nineties, all champions had losses eventually because they faced elite competition all the time. Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson etc. eventually all had losses because they did what champions do - fought everyone they were supposed to fight. And while fans moan about how this era is rubbish and how much better those past eras were, in the same breath, they keep talking about how Joshua has losses. Fury's artificial 0-loss record is hyped up, Joshua's 3 losses is seen as proof of how bad a champion he was, while every second sentence of your average boxing fan is how bad this era is and fighters are not like what they used to be. Utterly ridiculous double standards and lack of basic reasoning and logic.

And no, I don't care for Joshua, never liked the guy inside or outside the ring. And it's sad that I have to add this because nowadays nobody can state facts about how Joshua managed his career much more like those guys from the past eras fans cry about without being labelled a Joshua fanboy.

But once again: Joshua is absolutely irrelevant to this discussion about Fury. This obsession of always bringing Joshua up when there is criticism of Fury is mental. I only addressed this point lest you think I couldn't respond to your "clever" whataboutery.

Stick to the discussion: are you happy about how Fury managed his career since 2015? Would you have found it ridiculous if someone said back then "hey, the guy will only have five more title fights in almost a decade, and he will have more kids than title fights by then"? Are you happy that Fury hasn't faced literally any top guys apart from Wilder (who has nobody on his record apart from an ancient Ortiz who also has literally nobody on his record - so calling Wilder a top fighter is more than generous) in almost a decade?

Yes or no? I don't care about Joshua whataboutery, I don't care about ifs and buts. Answer with a simple yes or no to these questions, please.

 

Joshua did his thing and he did it well for a time nobody can deny that,I also don’t believe that he is scared to fight Wilder however Hearn/Matchroom and now Dazn all want to keep the Joshua money train rolling along which is understandable as boxing is a business and they all want a return on there investment. Hearn has never had Wilders name out of his mouth all year,which fair enough he’s a promoter and needs to keep the fans interested etc and dangling that carrot.Hearns tactic when Joshua was the man was the old A side B side deal heavily in Joshua’s favour which again was understandable and now his tactics when Joshua is not the man is that Joshua is rebuilding and trying things out with new trainers etc again understandable. I do believe the Joshua v Wilder fight does happen but only when all other options are exhausted or if one of the sanctioning bodies orders this fight as a final eliminator (WBC) but again Joshua has other options (WBO,IBF) however knowing how Hearn operates he will be hoping that the Fury v Usyk winner retires and aligns Joshua up with a title shot and more than likely going the IBF route with a fight against Hrgovic before taking the WBO route with Zhang and then lastly the WBC route with the long awaited Wilder fight. However firstly Joshua has to get past Wallin which is a decent step up from his last two fights .

 

Agreed. PBC would not even let Luis Ortiz fight AJ for silly money.

Truth is it’s all their fault, not just Hearn. They all want the Saudi bag that is not PPV dependent

 

Shelly Finkel, Lou DeBilla and Bob Arum are the ones to blame for Wilder not meeting Joshua. They kept Wilder from being in the ring with AJ because he was their moneymaker and they wanted to keep him fighting tomatoe cans & white collar boxers till they’d stolen Marcianos record. I genuinely believe that Wilder was fed a bunch of lies and didn’t know his own managers were sabotaging his big fights