CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT CANELO WAS

Yeah, that's why I said debatably, it could be scored 6-6 with the KD edging it to Canelo, or 7-5 Trout, edging it to him, and vice versa.

 

I disagree, I saw 4 rounds that could of gone either way, to find two others, is a gargantuan task, and the 4 that were competitive, in reality... weren't all that competitive.

 

Also keep this in mind, Canelo had 46 amateur matches by the age of 15, which is basically nothing, so all the cactus farmers, cab drivers and trashmen that he faced, was his amateur program, the records of Canelo's first 12 opponents was absolutely abysmal, you could even make an argument that Canelo faced nothing but bums in his first 30 professional matches, aside from a few decent guys, and the two matches against Vazquez, the first when they were both just starting their careers, the other a few years later, his first 30 opponents were the very definitions of nobodies. I can almost guarantee he took little to nothing away from any of them that served him later in his career, most were quick and easy KO victories. GO back and look at most of the matches, I put them in my Early Days of Canelo thread to see for yourself. Canelo's fights against guys like JM Cotto, N'Dou, Tyner, Rhodes, Cuello and Hatton were the real beginning of his pro career.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/canelo-Álvarez-a-look-back-the-early-days-of-saúl-the-little-cinnamon-boy-of-jalisco.520246/

 

I was 100% rooting for Canelo to win, I would have been ecstatic, I can't stand Floyd Mayweather, but not for one single solitary second did I think he had a chance, not when it was being rumored, not after it was signed, not in the leadup and not on the night of the fight. ZERO chance, regardless of weight.

 

“Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.”

"I would never want to put a fighter in a position where he's not comfortable. I want a guy when he's at his best. If he's at his best at 154 and he's strong and he's solid, then that's the fight we're fighting at. I walk around at 150, but at the end of the day - skills pay the bills.... Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses"

"De La Hoya - Pacquiao fights him at a catchweight. Cotto - he fights him at a catchweight. When I fought De La Hoya I said 'give him to me at 154'. With Cotto - 'give him to me at 154'. Give me the guys where they are comfortable with their weight so there are no excuses"

''I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter. He faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catchweight. It wasn’t the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained; he wasn’t hydrated. Antonio Margarito was a guy who was cheating. I want him [Cotto] to be comfortable, to feel good when we meet to go into battle. I don’t want no excuses. So I’m going to go in there and be Floyd Mayweather. I’ve been there before and I know what it takes.”

Ellberbe commented on Pacquiao’s catchweight win over Cotto in 2009, saying to ***** “He [Cotto] was a dead man walking when he went into the ring. The casual fan doesn’t know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight.”

"That's one thing Floyd make perfectly clear to us," Ellerbe said. "He didn't want to fight him at a catchweight, he wanted to fight him at the weight. Sometimes, you don't get full credit when you fight at a catchweight. Floyd wanted to make sure Miguel was comfortable."

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''Problem is Floyd doesn't get tired and we've seen Canelo fade in fights before.. Having to take off that extra two pounds is.. people think it's just two pounds but when you already struggling to make 154 that extra two pounds is a lot. He [Canelo] is going to put on a lot of weight but he's not going to be able to put on the right kind of weight in just 24 hours. So he's gonna feel the fact that he's, you know, stripped his body, cutting his muscles to get to 152.''

---Andre ''SOG'' Ward aka P4P#1 aka the real TBE.