Can people stop trying to outbox superior boxers?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Jun 4, 2022.

  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 6, 2017
    Joshua foolishly tried to outbox Usyk, which completely backfired. George Kambozo stayed at mid range all night and refused to change tactics attempting to box with Haney. Both guys refused to press the issue and neither attempted to go for the KO despite being way behind on the cards.

    The corners didn't say anything of substance either. There should have been a plan B, and the fighters should have been ready to get their hands dirty if necessary.

    Next time I see a fight where it's a master boxer putting on a clinic and the opponent is just following them around the ring content to lose on points, I'm not going to bother watching the rest. It was not Haney's job to stop what he was doing when it was working to make it entertaining, Kambozo was the champion and acted as if he didn't want the belts anymore. Or maybe he was just utterly clueless.
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    Jan 13, 2021
    Because sometimes outboxers are more than just a jab. Walk into a counter and that could be the end of the night, or perhaps they are aware they might hit air a lot trying to press the action and waste stamina ? Or perhaps they just had the wrong gameplan. Or perhaps they're just terrible on the front foot and want to find a way to win by working with what they're best at

    Against Haney Kambosos clearly wanted to time Haney with a counter and and take him out. It's not like he landed 0 punches. But Haney was just too good
  3. Vigilance777

    Vigilance777 Active Member Full Member

    Oct 14, 2014
    Agreed the most frustrating thing. But swinging in close for the KO requires some mettle that I don't think all boxers have in them. Kambosos is so used to fighting that one way always, he just doesn't have that "dog" in him. Neither does AJ. You can't change a person's nature, they either have it in them or they don't. For example prime Linares would've gone for it, really gone for it. The Linares who fought DeMarco (loss, I know) would've been a different story for Haney.
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  4. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    But If you do not try to outbox the better boxer ; you just get " Canelo'd "
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  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Free The Guys! F 12 & Goofies Stay Dangerous! Full Member

    Jun 23, 2005
    Most guys aren't willing to sell out to win. By doing this it puts them at risks to get koed. Especially if they're boxer puncher types or counter punchers they're not willing to walk through fire to win even though they talk a big game.
  6. TheVet

    TheVet Member banned Full Member

    Sep 22, 2021
    Did you see the bit where Kam went aggressive and swung missed on fell on the ropes? You see, no matter what Kam brough boxing or aggression he was going to get schooled.
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  7. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 21, 2015
    This is an important point, because people are criticizing Haney even tho Kambosos did not rush him. It's not like Haney was impossible to find, it's just that Kam wasn't going to be able to stand in the pocket and counter like he wanted. I posted in the RbR that he appeared to not know who Haney is a fighter; did you sincerely think you were going to outbox him??
  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 6, 2017
    Then learn how to apply smart pressure and fight on the inside. Modern fans keep boasting about how advanced boxing has become, but many boxers seem to be 1 trick ponies who never get out of 1st gear.

    If you can't outbox the opponent, it doesn't mean simply swing for the fences or load up for one big shot. Joe Frazier, Duran, Chavez, Armstrong, etc, none of them gassed out or swung for the fences knowing they couldn't outbox a superior boxer at mid range. Even defensive wizards like Whitaker and Mayweather can make adjustments to fight at any range, on the front or back foot.
  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 6, 2017
    Not necessarily. Big difference between applying smart pressure and just throwing a wild desperate haymaker. Haney still might have won, but if Kambozo learned how to actually cut the ring off and fight at close range he might have made it a closer fighter. His connect % was abysmal and he barely won a single round.
  10. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Oct 8, 2013
    Big money rematch clause sits in the back of some fighters mind. 0 urgency from Kambosos tonight. Was totally willing to fight Haney’s fight. Very poor performance.
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  11. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 5, 2020
    That what good boxing does, it gets you in your head and indecisive.

    He tried charging in and throwing haymakers, but he isn't like Linares or Isaak Cruz who knows how to do that pressure style. I'm not sure if you can become another fighter in one camp.
  12. Rafaman

    Rafaman Active Member Full Member

    Jun 26, 2015
    12th Round George is down by 9-2 rounds in my book. His corner advice is to work on trunk defense. What was going on?
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    Jan 13, 2021
    Everybody has different physical attributes. Not everybody will have the gas tank to maintain that pressure enough to win even a few rounds, let alone the fight. It also opens them up more. It takes several years to master those applications when you already train out the ass for other aspects. Not everybody is going to switch like that.

    Regardless Kambosos even tried to go on the attack a few times and had no success when Haney angled around him and made him look foolish
  14. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

    Oct 1, 2011
    The art of cutting off the ring has been lost on many fighters. You never see Golovkin or Chocolatito having issues with good movers.
  15. Rafaman

    Rafaman Active Member Full Member

    Jun 26, 2015
    I agree with all your points. But to be fair you have named the greatest fighters in history. Those guys are HOF all timers. Not many guys have the total package like them.