Can Ray Leonard be Rated Above Duran All Time P4P?

I wasn't really referring to the 'above weight' limit mate just the fact that his lost but in a non-title fight, therefore his actual reign is stronger than Leonard's. That's not to say it's not a great win for De Jesus- it is, and a very convincing one at that. If Duran was champ for three years then it'd be equal, but 7 is a decent tenure and he deserves to be rated higher at 135 than Ray does at 147.

 

Kalule was a better fighter than anyone Duran beat at lightweight incidentally.

 

In response to the thread title- yes. P4p that is, if that term/concept is taken as who was better p4p, this can be seen as the better man regardless of weight at their best, or overall based on performances, all things considered, the case can be made for either man. Though the thread title does say all-time which lessens Leonard's chances here in my own humble opinion, that refers more to a legacy/greatness aspect in a viewpoint which can be justified. That is where i always take Duran, as the GREATER fighter, though i suppose the case can be made for Leonard, for me its always Duran in that repsect though.

 

Sweet Pea gets my vote for most improved poster whose senses rival my own

 

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Yes. It is a tough call but it is not an unreasonable thought

 

Why do you insult poor little Sweet Pea :?

 

No he wasn't. All his best wins came against Has-Beens or inexperienced fighters.

 

Okay so you weren't making an attempt to look at this other than to promote Leonard... That's why you picked 5? 8? 10? 20? It's all arbitrary... Even so look at how past it Duran was. Look at how he was written off when he fought Cuevas, Barkley, Moore

2. Leonard lost to a guy whose best days were at 135. That tells you an awful lot abotu where they should be in a p4p sense.

I think the rest of what you say is based on numbers which just about sums it up... Your roll the dice theory puts boxing on a par with roulette and if you follow it through actually makes it preferable for a fighter to not have fought.

Like I said I appreciate your sentiment...none fo the fab 4 are that much better than the others...but it still clear who the number 1 is.