Can Sebastian Fundora ever be beaten?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    The guy comfortably makes LMW despite being over 6'5 with an 80 inch reach.

    After a few furious debates about yesterday's HW fighters having no chance against modern sized SHW fighters, I wonder how people rate the chances of Fundora as he'll have a size advantage over anyone else in his division.
     
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  2. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Mykal Fox is a 6′3½″ super lightweight yet he was beaten by a 5'10" Ergashev. Fundora will get beaten as well once he faces top opposition.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Intradesting.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    The towering inferno is still unbeaten!
     
  5. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    That skinny long body of his is a massive target for bodyshots. He looks far from unbeatable.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Only until August 22nd.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    There's a school of thought amongst some boxing fans that a reach advantage that great is impossible for anyone to overcome.
     
  8. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    I don't agree with that school of thought. There are tools which other fighters can possess to negate a reach disadvantage, like speed, footwork and timing to name a few.
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Paul Williams should have been a welterweight GOAT according to this thread.
    What happened?
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'm surprised you aren't aware about Paul Williams.

    He was avoided as a contender but managed to earn a shot at Margarito, who he beaten. He then lost to Quintana before beating him by first round ko.

    The next couple of years no one of note wanted to face him, but he managed to get a fight with Sergio Martinez. He won a highly controversial decision before losing the rematch by ko.

    He then won an even more controversial decision against Lara and dominated Ishida to earn a fight with Canelo.

    However he was in a motorbike accident which left him paralysed.

    He's making a slow but steady recovery to this day.

    That's what happened.
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It's a massive advantage, but not unassailable at the highest levels. That's why I don't rate Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Hearns, Alexis Arguello, and Sandy Saddler as highly as smaller guys with similar achievements. Bigger guys are mostly expected to beat smaller guys. Duran vs Hearns or Whitaker vs Trinidad are almost foregone conclusions, the same as old man vs young man match ups. Sure the little guys sometimes pull off an upset, but it's rare. Hearns was fighting people he had 12 inches of reach over. That didn't mean that Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler couldn't beat him though.

    What I like to see is when these big rangy guys run into someone with a similar build as them to see how they react. Wladimir Klitschko kind of folded or had an off night against Tyson Fury because he didn't know how to fight a taller man. Alexis Arguello rose to the challenge and had two epic fights with Escalera, but he got taken out by the shorter Aaron Pryor and outslicked by Ernesto Marcel. Paul Williams was a handful for anyone but Erislandy Lara and Sergio Martinez showed his shortcomings despite being shorter. Bernard Hopkins matched up well against Keith Holmes who was taller than he was. Michael Spinks held his own against Larry Holmes, which is more than you can say of Bob Foster vs Ali, Ernie Terrell, and Zora Folley. I like it when the big guy moves up until he's the smaller guy. Holyfield vs Qawi wasn't sporting, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander and Holyfield sacked up to fight Bowe, Lewis, and Valuev.

    I prefer the giant slayers such as Duran, Armstrong, Walker, Pacquiao.

    Somebody already said that smaller guys can win if they get past the jab and infight. That's true, but infighting is so little part of the game and holding is so generally allowed that it's pretty rare to see this. Kell Brook fairly hugged the life out of Shawn Porter. The smaller guy has to work so hard to get past the big guy's reach but all the big guy has to do is grab for the ref to separate them. Now, the little guy has to do it all over again. He's fighting two people.

    You can beat big guys if you are skilled and athletic enough. Rigondeaux busted up Amagasa who had six inches of height and four inches of reach advantage. But even Rigondeaux couldn't overcome the physical deficits of reach, height, and age against Lomachenko.
     
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  12. FromBuenosAires

    FromBuenosAires Active Member Full Member

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    Fundora is domestic level at best, look how much he struggled agains fellow domestic level fighter Lewis, a guy he dwarfed in size. He will get beaten up badly the moment he takes a marginal step up, he is very flawed and has only size going for him.
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Nah. Too frail/fragile. Daniel Lewis had some success when he was able to get inside. I imagine that's what will be his undoing. When he isn't able to establish range against a decent-good fighter he will be a sitting duck for their big shots on the inside. Overhand will deck him probably for the count. These unusually tall guys usually don't have the coordination required to be elite either.
     
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  14. CaravanDweller

    CaravanDweller Member banned Full Member

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    The difference is the super heavys have a weight advantage. This lad doesnt as both are the same weight
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    And the proper combination of athleticism, skill and coordination needs to be possessed by these SHWs. Then the argument makes a lot of sense.
     
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