Can someone explain the metric for "harder" shots?

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  1. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    I watch a fight in which one fighter clearly out throws and out lands the other fighter, only to be given the patented "harder shots" logic. By harder do you mean inflicts more damage, do you mean you are making pounds of prssure per square inch estimations, are you going by the sound, I mean how exactly do you know the "harder" shot? As an example you look at Foreman's knockout of Moore...that was a "hard shot"? I say, well **** yeah it was a hard shot, it knocked the man unconscious...didn't look that hard though. Bottom line I just need the metric used to derive this idea.
     
  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I've been having this same problem also. It's why scoring Paulie's fights are a pain and why Bradley's fight is a pain also
     
  3. Cellz831

    Cellz831 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    the more eye-catching and neck-snapping are what people consider "harder"
     
  4. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    The same reason why you can't be judges and other people can. :lol:
     
  5. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Common sense. . .
     
  6. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Only a pain if you're influenced by group think.

    Harder shots. Well it sounds nice, but it's really just about measuring clean-effective punching. Yes, there's subjectivity to that and obviously bigger punchers seem to land more shots that seem more effective, clean, or hard because they're bigger punchers and they affect their opponents more often even by grazing shots. That can be tricky.

    When a guy lands shots he's clearly sitting and and getting leverage from as opposed to slaps, that's when you try evaluating the effectiveness of such shots. A non-puncher isn't supposed to be penalized because his shots are less effective or less impactful, so long as they clean land cleanly. That is what makes Kellerman "Who would you rather be" a little flawed and simplistic evaluation for scoring.
     
  7. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Don't be surprised if they ask you to elaborate what you said.:hey
     
  8. osirus0830

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    I could be wrong, but I think in general people view the guy that is coming forward as the guy that is landing the harder shots. The logic is, if the other guy's shots are deterring him from coming forward then the other guy must not be hitting him hard. Take it fwiw
     
  9. bballchump11

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    Thanks man, that's what I figured but you could understand how it can get tricky.
     
  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    So I ask for your metric and the first thing that popped into your mind is "common sense"? So what units do you use to measure "common sense"...
    Since you obviously don't understand the question, maybe this will help:

    met·ric*2 *(mtrk)
    n. 1. A standard of measurement.
     
  11. king khan

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    I don't think this is quite an accurate synopsis. . . Take for example the co-main event of tonight's HBO card: Rosinsky was coming forward for good portions of each round, firing combinations, but they weren't doing anything to Pavlik at all - even the ones that landed clean, and flush.

    There's really no objective criteria on how to determine "harder" shots; Perhaps it coincides with the scoring criteria known as "clean, effective punching." But what is clean effective punching? IMO, it's simply what punches are having a more noticeable effect, and impact on the other boxer. "Which punches would you rather get hit with"?

    There's more than one way to define it. . .
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  12. king khan

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    "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material(punches) I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"](*Replace in this context with "harder" shots*); and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture (punches) involved in this (fight) case is not that."
     
  13. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Cool, a simple "I don't know" would have been sufficient...
     
  14. king khan

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    I know it when I see it. . .
     
  15. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is no metric.