Can someone explain this fascination with “daring to be great”?

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  1. Above Deck

    Above Deck Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think In context of the recent slogan of ‘daring to be great’, it seemingly does appear to be weight related - in that you supposedly have to dare to be great by taking on challenges that other fighters at present wouldn’t (other great fighters in the current era). I think Manny started it, and after he essentially retired Oscar it was then a benchmark. Canelo was expected to do it mainly because the GGG fight was realistically there as a dual purpose fight - GGG needed a test and Canelo could’ve possibly present that, and did. Since Canelo won that battle, and because he’s the face oh boxing, many fans symbolize greatness with moving up divisions and beating monsters. Now Canelo inevitably got beat (as weight stop trains), now fans project their dismay by saying he really wasn’t much chop anyway. Same thing would’ve happened in the ‘undefeated era’ should Mayweather have ever lost.
     
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  2. Serge

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    Exactly. Usyk and the likes of Loma just do it they don't make a look at me song and dance about it.

    They don't just dare to be great

    They do so with zero home advantage

    A grand total of one home ref or judge between them for all their world title fights

    Zero advantage at the negotiating table

    Zero deck-stacking

    Zero cheating

    Look at how many times they've outclassed, dominated, or even toyed with world champions and top contenders their own size, or in Loma's case and Usyk's since he moved up to HW and in complete contrast to many of their peers, much/way bigger ones who are much more powerful with them given all the aforementioned

    They've both fought lots of big punchers and KO artists, and ones who are way bigger than them

    Look at how commonplace robberies are

    How often fighters get robbed in their opponent's countries and backyards

    How often we see ridiculous biased scorecards from corrupt judges

    That's just one one of the reasons why winning on the road or in your opponent's backyard is that much more difficult and impressive

    That's truly daring to be great

    Apologies for turning this into an Usyk and Loma lovefest but that's what I do

    What I was born to do

    And they're never going to stop me from speaking truth to power
     
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  3. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh no problem mate and they are exactly what I''m talking about. When it's Canelo or Mayweather it doesn't mean anything due to the card stacking and A-side nonsense. That's why I respect the men who "just do it" far more than the cash cows who have to weigh everything in their favor. The Klit's used to pull all that crap as well as Ginger and Mayweather.
     
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  4. Col Mortimer

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    Well said.

    “Be not afraid of greatness. Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them.”

    Usyk, Lorma, Ali and the likes are born with it mate.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah where's the glory if you're essentially rolling with loaded dice all the time?
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks

    Great quote

    They sure are

    Ali was a fearless road warrior too which sometimes gets overlooked
     
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  7. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree and it encourages the low information and IQ fanboys to repeat ad nauseam. The TBE !
    TBE my arse....
     
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  8. SpeedKills

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    I’ve seen the phrase daring to be great for as long as I’ve followed boxing.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And the ginger demon lovers too
     
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  10. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They are annoying for sure but they get clowned and destroyed especially since....
    Reverend Bivol performed his exorcism on the Ginger melon headed PED Demon.
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    Phrase used to write off loses and illogically glorify favorite fighters.
     
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  12. Col Mortimer

    Col Mortimer The question isn't indiscreet.The answer could be Full Member

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    Absolutely mate, and for out and out greatness, both Ali and Foreman in Zaire springs to mind instantly. Ali was a huge underdog in that fight against an unbeaten out and out ring monster. Not many gave Ali a realistic chance at the time. That fight has gotta be one of the hall of fame benchmarks for greatness and achievement.

    I wish I could watch it again for the very first time with no hindsight on the winner.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: He did. Pastor Dmitry simultaneously performed a baptism and an exorcism on the foul ginger PED demon toad
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No doubt. What Ali did against Foreman was straight Brit Level

    And he had a iron mandible too which is something we should always lavish praise upon fighters for
     
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  15. Col Mortimer

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    :deal:
     
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