Can someone explain to me why Pacquiao has trouble with right hand dominant fighters?

Because those were ATG fighters who were intelligent enough to time and match his rhythm and target the great right hands they had in their arsenal, with two of those fights being far removed from his technical prime.

 

When you fight the best fighters in Boxing for a decade somebody gonna give you a fight. When someone exploits a weakness the real true greats want to sharpen there skills to prevent it from happening. Roach has done a tremendous job with Khan and Pac. Sometimes a loss or a close fight is what takes a fighter to that next level.

Pacquiao has been flawless since moving up because of numerous adjustments skill wise and conditioning wise. He has always been the hardest worker now he is at his best weight and it all came together; the tough opponents, training, roach, ariza have made him a true master.

 

Do you pray to Pacquiao every night?

 

So you're trying to answer the "Floyd has trouble with southpaws" thread, and at the same time Floyd will beat Pacquiao? Floyd's very proud, I'm sure.

Pacquiao has not fought a right-hand dominant fighter in quite some time, it is true. But Marquez and Morales are not the only right-handed fighters he's fought.

Morales is not a counter-puncher, and both he and Marquez have distinctly different styles from Mayweather. Of course they have similarities in the accurate usage of the right hand, but associating the two disregard the nuances of style. Marquez integrates consistent lateral movements and head movement that were able to evade Pacquiao, and come back with combinations. Floyd, while having efficient footwork, does not incorporate this into his style. He relies on his height, reach, speed, straight-punches, and reflexes to control his opponents, rather than match their rhythm; he controls the pace, and fights in straight lines where he dictates at range.

I'm not going to claim Manny is absolutely going to beat Mayweather, but this "right-handed-counterpuncher A = right-handed-counterpuncher B" is too simplistic.

 

Mosley


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I wasn't aware Erik Morales and Juan Marquez fought in the shoulder roll.

Your posts are going nowhere it sounds like you're hitting the booze while posting.

JMM and Morales fight absolutely nothing like Mayweather, Morales was literally chasing Pac in the ring during the fight ready to brawl, I don't see FLoyd doing that.

 

who? atsch

 

one of the reasons why he is so overrated

 

Let it go my brotha. It's all good. :good

 

Marquez uses a great deal of lateral movement. He is constantly circling outside of Pacquiao's lead foot, and ducks under his quick right-hooks and comes back with over-hand rights and combinations. His head movement is subtle and not as flashy as a traditional defensive fighter, but it's there and it works when applied.

You CANNOT compare Marquez at 144 in a failed conditioning experiment, against a Mayweather comfortable in his own natural weight-class. Even when you do, you see that most of the time, Floyd is controlling the distance with his straight-punching, but does not pivot-out to create new punching angles, doesn't circle consistently, doesn't match foot-movements; he uses his upperbody well (which I never denied) to set up counters and lead right hands. He controls fights, whereas Marquez and Morales find opportunities between their opponents' punches, and match their rhythm. On top of that, you're looking at a fight where an already disadvantaged Marquez is forced to come forward, and completely out of his element-not the right context to judge lateral movement.

You aren't looking carefully at all if you can't see Marquez using foot movement, bouncing on his toes and carefully slipping punches while judging the distance between them and evading Pacquiao's offensive moves.

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Mayweather can beat Pacquiao, but he would do it in a different way. Counter-punching with the right hand is certainly an advantage, but Floyd Mayweather has habituated himself into fighting in straight lines. Reducing the comparison to Floyd "being more defensively sound" doesn't cut it. He slows the pace of the fight to his liking when he has the proper advantages, and if he finds himself out-sped our out-tricked on his feet by Pacquiao, his offensive response will not be what Marquez and Morales did. The similarities of lead-rights are there, especially with Morales, of course; but my point is that the rhythms are opposite, and if Floyd cannot control Pacquiao with his usual tactics, he may be in trouble.


And how the hell are you going to suggest Floyd's height isn't a factor in most of his fights? Sure, he'll go on the offensive on a tired Mosley and most southpaws, but to say he doesn't integrate his height into the way he leans back into his shell and returns fire from a distance is just ignorant. He uses it well.

 

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