Can someone explain to me why people rate Usyk above Mayweather & Pacquiao ?

How about instead of being emotional and calling people names you calm down ?

For one you're saying "get it right" but then in another sentence you're not "getting it right" because Mayweather never lost to Castillo or Maidana so stop creating a fantasy.

That's like me saying "Briedis deserved a draw " anyone can have that agenda.

Yes Usyk is undisputed in 2 weightclasses I never said he wasn't ? But how does that trump the likes of Pacquiao, Mayweather, resume overall ? That's like saying Crawford is one of the GOATs because he's undisputed in 2 weight divisions aswell. Would anyone have Crawford in the top 30 of all time or above the likes of Leonard or Hearns ? Highly doubtful.

Not that I'm saying Crawford has a better resume than Usyk as of right now.....but yeah you know what I mean.

Read the stats Mayweather, Pacquiao, has a considerable advantage in world title wins.

Usyk 12
Mayweather 22
Pacquiao 26

Considerable advantage vs ranked top 10 fighters.

Usyk 12
Mayweather 21
Pacquiao 22

And look at the list of notable names how does Usyk's resume trump all of the names on Mayweather's and Pacquiao's resume ?

I mean yeah another part of Usyk's greatness is beating bigger fighters but didn't Pacquiao do that aswell ? I mean the likes of Clottey and Margarito when they rehydradted were atleast 2 or 3 weightclasses bigger than Pacquiao.

 

No one has said in this thread has said they don't like Usyk ? Why don't you read what I said in my original post ?

"I like Pacquiao I like Usyk I don't like Mayweather but I respect his skills."

There's no agenda to my post I don't care where a fighter comes from so if you're suggesting something along those lines I suggest you keep that kind of nonsense to yourself.

This is a simple discussion about resumes not whether a fighter is fan favourite or likeable or dislikable. And quite frankly I couldn't careless about what a fighter does outside the ring when discussing their in ring achievements or how good of a fighter they are.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

Amateurs have nothing to do with how you're rated in the professionals no one uses Muhammad Ali or Lennox Lewis Gold medals to enhance their professional resume when rating them at Heavyweight.

Pacquiao never ducked anyone either so it's that your argument I can't see how you think Usyk rates above Pacquiao. When Pacquiao has beaten considerably bigger fighters than himself aswell and has a more impressive resume overall.

 

Serge honestly I do not include amateur achievements when rating a fighter in the professional ranks. If you do then that's fine but then it gets a bit sketchy because do we do that for every fighter in history ? Me personally I've never seen this type of argument used before until Usyk, Lomachenko, came on the scene.

Usyk's greatness comes from beating bigger opponents, beating fighters in their backyard, and being undisputed in 2 weightclasses, aswell as having a very good resume.

Also another tick in the box for Usyk is his H2H ability which rates highly aswell.

Overall this is my opinion on Usyk.....

Top 30 of all time or there abouts he could go up even further depending on what he does in his upcoming fights.

Top 15 Heavyweight of all time as it stands right now probably rates higher on a H2H basis.

Number 1 Cruiserweight of all time.

I don't think though as it stands now that Usyk's resume has quite enough depth to overtake Pacquiao or Mayweather on all time rankings.

Now that's no slight against Usyk its just Mayweather and Pacquiao are on a different level IMO in the last 30 years in regards to resume.

People hate on Mayweather in regards to that he picked and choosed when to fight certain fighters which maybe true in some cases. But I also think some people are sometimes a bit unfair in regards to his resume because of his dislikeable personality.

Mayweather personality wise is hard to like let's be real I think he's an absolute numpty as us Brits would say I've got no time for his interviews or when he talks.

But....his resume despite people hating on it is still top notch and he had the skills to back up.

Pacquiao accolades speaks for themselves never ducked anyone, also beat considerably bigger fighters like Usyk did aka Margarito, Clottey, etc.

All in all Usyk is a great and I enjoy watching him but as is stands today he's still below Mayweather, Usyk, for me.