Can someone explain to me why people rate Usyk above Mayweather & Pacquiao ?

But I didn't say that either. He was dropped and badly hurt by light-hitting journeymen before he even won his first world title.

We saw what happened when a fully motivated and switched on Belly fought The Dosser in their rematches and sans a blip in one round in the third fight where he got complacent and walked into a huge shot which dropped him and then touched down again shortly afterwards those fights were one-sided massacres and he beat the living crap out of him

I'm not sure what's so hard to accept about the notion of him sometimes fighting down to the level of his opposition.

I picked him to lose via KO to Wlad because I saw him do so numerous times beforehand and get dropped or hurt by fighters who are light years below Wlad in terms of quality and power and he proved me wrong and millions of others too. I'm pretty sure the version who fought Wlad was far better and much more switched on and up for the fight than he was against those scrubs.

 

No it's not. Boxrec often posts partial records not complete ones because as you can imagine it's difficult to track down fights which were not at major championships and tournaments, especially ones at the regional level and many years ago

 

But again, it's hardly fair to ignore the fact that Holyfield was not only clearly a PED cheat but he was literally a walking pharmacy. All of his attributes were heavily artificially enhanced and people need to remind themselves of that when they're wowing at these lab creations

 

But here's the thing. All his fights at CW were against HWs by the old standard and not only that but those guys back then were also fighting opponents who were LHW or even SMW sized too and occasionally a SHW sized giant too. Usyk has never fought 168-190bs 'HWs' even when he was down at CW. Those guys back then fought many of them

And he's fighting nothing but SHW sized behemoths up at HW who are generally quick for their size, skilled, athletic, coordinated and often savage punchers or can punch when they want to and obviously their power will be magnified against fighters way smaller than them, not unathletic slug slow low skill Frankenstein's monsters who don't even know how to use their size and range like the giants of back then

Every fight Usyk has had as a pro and at HW in the ams which is the equivalent of CW in the pros has been at HW by the old standard and the ones in the WSB and HW in the pros are actually at SHW ie. the division they should've created instead of CW. Usyk is a HW fighting HWs and SHWs by that standard not a HW fighting HWs, LHWs and SMWs with the occasional SHW

Agreed, it is on Belly but it still doesn't make it untrue

No problem we can agree to disagree but anyone who thinks Floyd let Sugar ''Money'' Mac hit him and walk him into those counters and uppercuts is deluded. He looked both shocked and embarrassed when he got caught by them

I don't think starting the race late has positively affected Usyk's legacy. It gets completely ignored by many and I shouldn't even have to bring up all the context it should already have been done so by others if they have any intention of being fair to him

 

No, Belly is a PED cheat. Holyfield is too and he was on the hard stuff and lots of it. And the point is you're comparing a walking pharmacy lab creation to Usyk who is a clean fighter and has never failed a PED test or been involved in a doping scandal. That is not being fair or objective.

 

Yeah it would. They will have fights at club level, regional level, national, and international level and obviously it's way easier to keep track of ones at international level and major tournaments especially these days than it was back then. I've often heard fighters say they don't even know exactly how many amateur fights they've had. They just have a rough idea

 

I already said I don't have an issue with your ranking of him so all the rest is superfluous

I have an issue with context being ignored when people are claiming they're being fair and objective

You compared him to a walking pharmacy lab creation, I pointed out some very relevant context when in reality that was your job if you were being fair and objective. That's my point. An awful lot of important context has been ignored in this thread until I came along to remind everyone of it. I shouldn't have had to

I think you're a good guy but there is nothing unreasonable about what I'm saying here