Can someone help me with Tommy Ryan's last fight?

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  1. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was having a look at former welter/middleweight champion Tommy Ryan's record on BoxRec... and was surprised to find, that he lost on points over 6 rounds to former bantamweight champion Harry Forbes in his final bout back in 1907. This I find very strange!

    No weights are listed, so there's no way of knowing how big a weight-advantage Ryan had. Now I would have bought this, if Forbes had long since outgrown the bantamweight division and put on a lot of weight, enabling him to go up against bigger men (a la Pacquiao). But this can hardly have been the case, since Forbes challenged Johnny Coulon for the bantamweight crown 4 years later - at a weight of only 115 lbs!

    By the way... when I check my old Ring Record Books, there's no mention of such a fight on either man's record. So how does it suddenly appear on BoxRec... and did it really take place? Or is it simply a mistake?

    Anyone out there, who can cast some light on this?
     
    Bukkake, Apr 23, 2010
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  2. Boxed Ears

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    Interesting name...do you know frankenfrank by any chance?
     
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  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No I don't... but I get what you mean!

    The name is just a joke - and you're the first who has commented on it.
     
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  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The boxrec records of oldtimers are often incomplete and inaccurate. I wouldn´t go by boxrec on these fighters. The record of Ryan on cbz for example doesn´t have this fight listed. I don´t think Ryan faced top middleweight contender Hugo Kelly and a former Bantam champ in the same year. The only possibility I see this beeing an exhibition.
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Maybe nobody else knows what it means. :lol:
     
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  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks - it's almost too strange a match to be true!
     
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  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There must be quite a few guys in here, who know what it means... I would guess.
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Well, on the general forum I'm guessing upwards of 90% know what it means. I'm not sure about the classic forum. I mean, this is the classy forum here. I'm only here to cleanse myself of the diseased grime I get on me during my general forum conversations.
     
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  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lol
     
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  10. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    None of the Ring Record Books have this bout. It was put in BoxRec on February 7, 2010 by Bob Caico.
     
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  11. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But I suppose Bob Caico must have had a reason to do so???
     
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  12. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just looked at Harry Forbes record in the Ring Record Book, and they do list a Tom Ryan, BUT I don't think it was that Tommy Ryan, so I changed it and it is no longer on Tommy Ryan's record.
     
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  13. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sounds good, Henry... thanks for your help.
     
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  14. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The boxing records are incomplete into the 1950s...
    For example===In the early 1950s.I saw Ray Robinson box Popular Bobby Dykes,at the old Coney Island Veledrome,Bklyn, NY...It was an open air arena,and Robinson won a drab decision..I am almost positive it was their second bout they fought...And I have never seen this bout in any record book...But see that fight at the CIV I did...Still a mystery to me...
     
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  15. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ????????

    Now I can understand, if some fights are missing from the records of old-time obscure boxers. Or even some early bouts from the records of future champions.

    But how can Robinson (a world champ at the time) possibly have met Dykes (himself not exactly an unknown!) in a second match after their first one in Chicago in Nov. 1950... without any documentation that such a fight actually took place?

    This sounds stranger than a Ryan-Forbes match!
     
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